I cannot believe what I just saw.....

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I cannot believe what I just saw.....

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

my post asking about why the member was banned and how did they know it was jawlaw was edited too. I really was hoping that that pup had a home. I don't understand something. I have been over here reading up on the forum for a couple weeks now and never see any bashing or fighting going on here. Yet you guys have a bad reputation for it. I just don't get that. It does not make sense at all. You are all said to be the TP rejects that were banned for causing problems and yet I don't see that at all. it is usually pretty quiet over here. I don't see any of what they are talking about.

Denise · You have been awarded the Posting Star of Honor!

Ansy has done a wonderful job setting up this forum and the membership has been super! Bashing is one thing that is definitely not allowed nor would it be tolerated. Differences of opinion done respectfully leads to great discussions. This world would surely be a boring place if everyone thought the same on everything. Discussion and debate is a great way to learn new perspectives on different subjects. The main thing is that all of us love our furpals & want the best for them and ourselves. I know for myself, although I have had dogs and cats for more years than I most of the membership here are old, I still learn new things and new insights all the time. Without forums such as this I would miss out on alot of that. No one person is an absolute authority on our furpals - there are just too many differences and facets to them for any human to possess all that knowledge. As my mother was always fond of saying, "There is no such thing as a dumb question - only dumb answers". No one is born knowing the basics of raising or training a furpal - each one of us had to start somewhere. With rare exception a person who posts a question on a forum has a desire to learn and I for one am pleased if I am able to help out. I have only known the members here since Ansy started the forum and I feel each one shares my basic views. And that is making for a great forum!

ADMIN ANSY · Site Admin

Dobes, first let me say that I think you are doing a wonderful thing - trying to help find those dogs a home. You are putting alot of effort into this and I see no reason that you should be drove into the ground for it. Others should be thankful instead of making you out to be some kind of horrid dog hoarder.

With that said, jawlaw and I are the objects that fuel their fire over there. They read this board too and cannot stand it if we comment on them, yet they continue to plaster our name on their board....even when it isn't true. I went back and read alot of Atomic Dog's posts at TP and that person clearly wasn't jawlaw. I was reading a few of the posts at TP when Atomic got banned. Atomic was dis-agreeing about the whole AKC thing and that ticked Minniyar off because she is a big AKC advocate. It was then that she banned him. Sadly, just before banning him, Atomic had just asked you about adopting one of the dogs you have.

Anytime they see someone over there who has a different opinion, or doesn't agree with them, they are automatically called a troll and deemed to be me or jawlaw, mostly jawlaw. Thats the only way they can 'justify' themselves banning a member they don't like. With Minniyars own admission of not having anything to do with IP's, there is no possible way she could have 'known' if it was jawlaw or not. The mods ban usernames, they don't work with the IP's. You don't have to take my word for this. You'll continue to see it happen over there. As soon as someone has a difference fo opinion or makes one of them look like they don't know what they are talking about - that person is banned immediately and the forum members are told that it was me or jawlaw. They, of course, believe their moderators (because we are supposed to be able to trust their judgement) and then you have an entire forum that thinks we are the villians that continue to post on their board. That is where the animosity comes from. I do read the board at times, but I don't post on it....I can't. If they ban IP's (or if ADMIN bans IP's) then how could jawlaw possibly be all those names she has been accused of being? She couldn't.

I had quit posting about issues there because I didn't want to have the turmoil spilling over to this forum, but yesterdays event cost a puppy a potential home and that was going too far. Of course, everything has been deleted over there and the people who weren't on when it happened will never know what happened and wil be fed the lines of crap about how bad we are over here. Most of them don't know how to get to this forum so they can't come and read for themselves.

In the past, the TP members who joined here were told to stay here because they were not wanted over at TP anymore. Is that anyway to run a forum? Every single member here, including me, are members of another forum. Thats just how it works. Thats part of the way we hear about information and are able to bring it here to share.

We are not nearly as fast moving as TP, but I hope you like it here and decide to stay. If you'd like your other name I will release it for you so that you can use it. Just let me know.

We really aren't bad people and I appreciate you letting us know that you seen that.

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

lol yes actually I would love to have pitsanddobes again if that is alright I am just not sure why I never got an email. I used allaboutpets@knology.net is there a way you can check and see if maybe I typed it wrong or something?

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Nobody really caused problems, they are just a bad narrow minded site to be on. If you are not good at kissing butt, you won't last long there. They actually encourage smart people that make a lot of posts to leave, probably it is easier for puppy mills to operate if no one informed is there. It was a boring site anyway, you are not allowed to talk about anything interesting just sick dogs and toilet habits etc... Real people have more going on in their life than just the dog. I saw a lot of sick, obsessive talk going on there, that you don't see in a healthy forum like this, or the other 2 that I am on.

We still talk about our pets of course, but a public forum allows many topics and is not threatened by general chatter.

jawlaw · Moderator

Oh my! It is just unbelievable... pitsanddobe is having to go back and collect all that info again and give out all the info again...just because... i really don't know why... I can't even explain why they would do that! unbelievable!

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

The whole thread was deleted and there were all those peopel who really wanted to help! But just because it is not showing in the list does no tmean it is gone completely!

http://www.terrificpets.com/forum/17067.asp

jawlaw · Moderator

OMG, P&D...I just read the deleted post. You are doing just what we were doing before we were banned...nothing but taking up for ourselves...and we were banned. I have a feeling it won't be long for you. However, you have now made friends with Aceyfacey and Lalayla and they are good friends with the mods. That may be a step in the right direction....lol

edited for spelling--jawlaw will understand --proto

-- Edited by protodog at 13:31, 2005-03-29

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Oh, yes, I have never seen a browner nose than Lalas, definately the person to be in with over there. When she first started posting over there, I thought I was going to be sick from all the mushy fuss she made over the mods. God bless them, but I want to talk with people about smart, informative or interesting topics, I am not into spending all my time adulating moderaters, or others, like new posters. (Yeah, you are new, so what yah gotta say, what is on your mind?) There were so many children posting on that site, I guess it was important to them to meet and greet and clique up. Me, I just like good conversations, with smart people. Small talk kinda goes by me.

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

lol well I was banned from chat last night by the allmighty cricket! I had mentioned that I do not fight with everyone only those who pick a fight with me. Particular references were made to the fighting with GinaH who obviously from the threads has posted just to pick fights. No biggie. anyway I was told not to speak about Icy when she was not in chat and I said I will speak about anything I want and that I said nothing wrong about Icy. I happen to like Icy I just don't agree with her on some things. But we can talk like adults and agree to disagree. Anyway, I was told no I CANNOT speak about whatever I want. I made reference to the first ammendment and freedom of speach and she sais we don't all live in the USA.

Seems it is Crickets way or no way. I am not a child and will not be spoken to that way. I was having a quiet chat with Colliemom and Cricket picked a fight. Those of you who have read my postings know I don't start a fight but I darn sure will not back down. No one said squat to GinaH about her and her running around the board picking fights. They kept trying to get me to badmouth Gina I could really care less about her. Cricket speaks of ADMIN like it is some diety or god head hovering above waiting to dole out its wrath. Please I am not going to bow down to anyone. Cricket asked why I couldn't be like the other "respected members." Collie aske what you had to do so special to be a "respected member" and was told if cricket had to answer that then she must be under 13. Can you imagine talking to someone like that. They are not above anyone else and Cricket is powerstruck. I was going to leave last week and was asked to stay by many members. But you know how much sleep I lost over the whole thing? Not one wink. And I won't lose a second more if I am banned from the forum either.

Jawlaw was mentioned and how I dared to stick up for her. LOL I simply stated what I felt I did not believe Atomic was Jawlaw. And since they cost a puppy a home your darn right I had the nerve to ask how they knew it was jawlaw to warrent banning. I was told I had no right to question them. Like hell! I asked a simple intelegent question that an apparent smaller mind could not answer. I got jumped on when I said that it was really funny all the talk about the people on THIS forum being rude and stirring up trouble. How you all supposedly got banned from TP and you cuss people out and act all ignorant. Because I read posts for a week before I joined officially and I read them now and I don't see any of that. I DO SEE that people here are NOT all banned members of TP and I have been treated with decency and respect like any humanbeing deserves. That apparently ****ed her off. OH WELL! Oh BTW I was also told this is like your fourth forum lol!

Well in short I couldn't give a rats behind. The almighty Cricket can kiss my behind. If this is how you were treated there I can understand why you would have issues with them. I would be happy to help in any way I can to build membership on this forum. It is a peacful place and has a lot of nice members with respectful attitudes.

Thanks again for welcoming me.

Renee

PS. ANSY and Jawlaw is there a way we can talk privatly?

edited to comply with the peace treaty --proto

-- Edited by protodog at 13:33, 2005-03-29

MollieMae01 · Moderator

dobesandpits, I know you didn't ask me the question but you can send private messages by clicking on anyone's name and it goes to their user profile. Or you can go to the thing up top that says "list all users" and go down till you find who you want to talk to and click on their name-it's the same thing. Anyway, you scroll down till you see a thing that says "send this person a message" and that's how you do it. You will also notice, when you receive a message, that your name is at the top where it says "logged in as dobesandpits" and your # of posts and underneath it will say if you have a new message. Here, I'll send you a message.

GinaH · 12:41 PM, 03/20/05

DobesandPits, You and I have very valid reasons to dislike each other and No I was not just trying to pick fights with you on TP. I'm not quite sure why you are even bringing my name up here since I had nothing to do with you being banned at TP and I was not in chat when you had your disagreements with Cricket which I am assuming led to you being banned. I don't quite agree with you being banned from TP but I do think you crossed the line to many times.

You need to understand that when you ask a question on a forum you can expect an answer. It always seemed on TP that when you asked a question and someone replied they were always wrong and you would precede to answer your own question. My views of you and whom you really are remain the same. If you had not advised someone to spank their 8 lb dog you would have never of gained my attention. Also I am still curious as to why you will not post the name of the boarding kennel that has all the abandoned dogs? My offers of help were genuine but you totally disregarded them.

Anyhow please refrain from using my name in any of your future posts. I think you will like it here it seems to be a very friendly forum.

edited for name calling --proto

edited for personal attack - ansy

-- Edited by protodog at 15:01, 2005-03-20

-- Edited by ADMIN ANSY at 18:52, 2005-03-20

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

Coming over here an calling me names, and bashing me constitutes picking a fight. BIG mistake! Go play with your TP friends and don't come here stirring up trouble bad mouthing me! Fact is I have educated myself in different areas of life and I am not ashamed. I could care less what you think of me but you are NOT going to follow me around the net causing a fight every day. Go away!

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

OMG that is really childish! ACEY on TP posted to ask how to get ahold of me because she wants to take in one of the abandoned dogs and the reply given by colliemom was deleted! Again they are trying to stop a dog from getting a home!

GinaH · 1:51 PM, 03/20/05

Actually her reply is still there. Unless it has been edited.

http://www.terrificpets.com/forum/17163.asp

colliemom · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

I left a separate message for Acey and it WAS deleted....seems like a dictatorship

dobesandpits · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

Her reply was deleted! Why is it you are even here? You posted yet another post directed at me to pick a fight. Don't you have a life?

ADMIN ANSY · Site Admin

GinaH & Pits,

Lets all step back for a moment and realize that what just happened at TP causes heated feelings. When we are upset over something, sometimes we just don't think right. Happens to us all.

I know when i was at TP, GinaH and I dis-agreed on ALOT and I think we even shared words a few times......but here.....everything has been fine. GinaH has been a productive member of this forum and we have gotten along great........because things have cooled down for me.

Pits is a wonderful addition to this forum and I'm so pleased to have her here, however, I think she needs to be allowed a 'cooling off period'. We all need to vent.

What the 2 of you are seeing as rivalry can be made into an opportunity to square things away. Pits thinks that GinaH picks fights....maybe GinaH is just strong in her beliefs. GinaH thinks Pits is a fake.......maybe Pits has just come off the wrong way in the short time she has been around.

I think what we are seeing is just steam flaring from an already bad situation. TP is a great site which, unfortunately has ruthless people in charge. It really isn't a 'pet lovers' site. It is a forum for weak minds who aren't strong enough to dis-agree.

Pits & GinaH, maybe soon the 2 of you will be able to work out your differences, or at least, become amicable with each other. I'm glad to have you both here. I think if you each put yourself in the others shoes, you may understand why the other became heated. It doesn't mean that you agree with them, but it helps you see why they said what they said.

Lets just all (including me) take a deep breath and realize that out of this whole mess, we have obtained another great member on our forum. We may not always agree with this member, but it's someone who can add alot to our discussions just the same.

If either of you have concerns that you want to discuss privately, feel free to PM me.

jawlaw · Moderator

I sure have an opinion on this one, but I will leave it alone at this time... P&D, pm me!! Or catch me on chat some evening. We are really glad you are here!