Everyone keeps saying because it is the law...they need to follow the laws and not sneak under the fence....O.k.
What are you going to say when the LAWS change? When the borders are relaxed? Illegal immigrants are given driving privileges and licenses. You do know they can file lawsuits already?
What happens. Your property value is still going to decrease or will it suddenly increase? Will they be clean and tidy now?
Will your feelings adjust with the laws? Suppose they come here legally and are filthy, then what? Are they filthy then because they are legal, Mexican or both?
That is why the comments are so derogatory because they honestly have nothing to do with immigration laws (smokescreen)..they have to do with an inherent feeling of someone different having what we have, taking what belongs to us and we don't like it. And it is so easy to blame it on them being Mexicans. What happens when we can't blame it on the Mexicans? Then who? If our world is going to hell in a hand basket it has less to do with immigration laws and more to do with selfishness, greed, intolerance, and just good ol fashion hatred.
It amazes me the people commiting heinous crimes in the name of GOD. It is a contradiction.
Xenophobia.
We are mean. Our world is mean. GOD help us all.
-- Edited by tysonthebulldogissocute at 15:40, 2005-07-08
lol that doesn't answer my question..um...I live in southern new jersey with my bf, I co-manage an office supply store..and live a pretty boring life lol. I have 4 dogs and i would have more were it up to me. No human babies though, lol. I don't really feel offended or anything..I just noticed that "mexicans" were the choice of conversation lately and I"m just curious as to why. lol
Once again Tyson you have said it well. VERY GOOD POST!
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read this from a friend of mine. LOL! I found it horribly ironic considering our discussion....The world is so mean... WAAAAH!!!!
Mexican blacks demand stamp apology
MEXICO CITY, Mexico (Reuters) -- Mexico's tiny black community demanded Monday that President Vicente Fox apologize for a set of stamps featuring a black comic book figure that U.S. civil rights groups have slammed as racist.
The Asociacion Mexico Negro, which represents some 50,000 blacks living on the Pacific coast, said in a letter to Fox that Memin Pinguin, a 1940s comic book character drawn with thick lips and a flat nose, was stereotypical and racist.
"Memin Pinguin rewards, celebrates, typifies and cements the distorted, mocking, stereotypical and limited vision of black people in general," said the letter signed by leaders of the association.
The letter marks the first official complaint from a Mexican group over the stamps, which went on sale last week and provoked a storm of controversy in the United States. U.S. civil rights groups said they should be withdrawn.
Fox has said the stamps are not racist and ignored calls to pull them from circulation. His Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the affair was exaggerated by "specific groups in the United States who make a living from this kind of scandal."
"They look more ridiculous than we do," he said in a radio interview.
Political correctness is barely existent in Mexico, where there are few black immigrants, Caucasians are commonly addressed as "Guero" ("Whitey") and dark-skinned locals are nicknamed "Morenito" or "Negro" without causing offense.
Generations of Mexicans grew up reading the cartoon strip escapades of Memin Pinguin, a mischievous black boy whose looks and monkey-like antics are endearing but embody outdated ideas about blacks, like many comic books of the time.
"The stamps are 101 percent offensive, there is no doubt about it," said Rev. Glyn Jemmott, a Catholic priest in the 98 percent black village of El Ciruelo in Guerrero state, and one of the signatories of the letter.
"What is evident is the level of tolerance of racism that exists in the country. We are accustomed to racism to the point where anyone who dares question it runs the risk of being considered unpatriotic," he told Reuters by telephone.
Rejecting the U.S. criticism and insisting they are not racist, Mexicans have been lining up to buy the stamps. One state has rationed sales because of high demand, and the stamps have been bid as high as $200 per sheet in Internet auctions.
Mexicans are often accused of discrimination against Indians, who often live hand to mouth in poor communities.
Their lack of sensitivity to racism against blacks may be worse because Mexicans so rarely see black people.
Jemmott lives in one of a cluster of tight-knit black communities along the Pacific coast, south of Acapulco, that are home to thousands of descendants of slaves. Many Mexicans are unaware the communities exist.
In May, U.S. civil rights groups were outraged when Fox remarked that Mexican immigrants in the United States did jobs "not even blacks" would do.
Well, a couple real excitable folk love standing on soap boxes and getting themselves all riled up. The rest is a half hearted attempt at turning it into a conversation that borders on reality. I must admit in the face of all that venom and ire, it is getting old with me. Just isn't anyone dumb enough to make a good fight with in this forum. Most of us see right through the posts and just getout of it...
"Well, a couple real excitable folk love standing on soap boxes and getting themselves all riled up."
I assume you are referring to a specific individual here..Is that not starting a fight? Maybe the "soap boxers" felt the need to defend themselves..yet I can't speak for them..I'll back down outta this one.
Well, a couple real excitable folk love standing on soap boxes and getting themselves all riled up. The rest is a half hearted attempt at turning it into a conversation that borders on reality. I must admit in the face of all that venom and ire, it is getting old with me. Just isn't anyone dumb enough to make a good fight with in this forum. Most of us see right through the posts and just getout of it...
KittysMom:
If that was directed at me then say so. Since you don't do anyone the courtesy of addressing them personally I will take it as if it was.
I am really very very surprised at you and your horrific comments. But then there is the adage "no expectations no disappointments". Personally, I think you cared more about staying on TNT's good side than the discussion that was going on. Consider it soap boxing if you must but you readily participated in the discussion and you were not forced to do so.
I edited my question regarding the consistent placement of your nose in TNT's arse.
:)
Bottom line your comments, TNT's comments and several of your cronies could have been perceived as extremely hurtful and there is no excuse for that kind of blatant bigotry. Cloak it however you feel comfortable. It is what it is. You know it and I know it.
-- Edited by tysonthebulldogissocute at 18:31, 2005-07-08
Tyson, I think she was reffering to Heffenator (spelling?) because after Heff posts, she puts .."Steps off the soapbox." So yeah I dont think she was talking about ya..lol
Tyson, I think she was reffering to Heffenator (spelling?) because after Heff posts, she puts .."Steps off the soapbox." So yeah I dont think she was talking about ya..lol -Sandy
It states " a coupleof real excitable folks"... [end quote}
I was the one discussing the issue not Heff. I believe Heffenator simply stated she would appreciate not be called names by TNT.
I stand proudly on that soapbox then and I see I am in excelent company while doing so.
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