Pits, What kind of minister of faith are you? Gina is right, you didn't answer my question. This topic has gotten way out of hand...the rudeness isn't necessary to make your point. You claim to be open for debate, but only if people agree with you. This isn't a debate or discussion anymore. This has turn into a lets see who we can bash more....
tough to explain--pm me if you want to know --protodog
quote: Originally posted by: GinaH "Pits and I have had major disagreements it's a very long story. It all started when she said she was a professional dog trainer and then turned around and advised someone to spank their 8 lb dog for barking. There have just been a lot of statments made by her that make a person wonder.... "
No it is not about major disagreements. Tyson to be more spacific there was a topic Gina was not even involved in between be and another member. She took what I said twisted it and started a whole new thread where she and several others proceeded to bash and pick at me like I was garbage. Gina feeds on questioning my credentials in anything I have accomplished in my life. I get the feeling she is jealouse(sp) but Oh well.
Fact is I am an ordained minister.
I am also an expierenced dog trainer been doing it for years.
I have bred, raised and trained primarily dobes and shepherds for over a decade and my family has done it for generations.
I am a family rights advocate (which she stil does not understand what that is though I have explained it to her 3 times)
And I also have worked as a paralegal. (never got paid a dime though)
All of these things Gina questions. And a lot of the attacking I got on TP was due to this most of it was after her thread.
Oh and lets not forget how She tore into me with followers in tow about Raw feeding.
Gina's recent attack on me was privately done so we will not go into detail there.
Ginal and I do not get along but she always pops up with some kind of comment about me. It just makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over to know that someone has me on their mind that much....NOT!
edited for name removal --protodog
-- Edited by protodog at 21:12, 2005-04-02
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quote: Originally posted by: Pitsanddobes " No it is not about major disagreements. Tyson to be more spacific there was a topic Gina was not even involved in between be and another member. She took what I said twisted it and started a whole new thread where she and several others proceeded to bash and pick at me like I was garbage. Gina feeds on questioning my credentials in anything I have accomplished in my life. I get the feeling she is jealouse(sp) but Oh well. Fact is I am an ordained minister. I am also an expierenced dog trainer been doing it for years. I have bred, raised and trained primarily dobes and shepherds for over a decade and my family has done it for generations. I am a family rights advocate (which she stil does not understand what that is though I have explained it to her 3 times) And I also have worked as a paralegal. (never got paid a dime though) All of these things Gina questions. And a lot of the attacking I got on TP was due to this most of it was after her thread. Oh and lets not forget how She tore into me with followers in tow about Raw feeding. Gina's recent attack on me was privately done so we will not go into detail there. Ginal and I do not get along but she always pops up with some kind of comment about me. It just makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over to know that someone has me on their mind that much....NOT!"
Ouch!
Let's all try a big juicy heartfelt can't hold on any tighter bear hug. It always works with the homeless.
No kidding a homeless guy hugged me today. My coworkers thought it was horrific.
I really felt like crying. Why are people homeless?
Why are dogs abused?
What is my point?
edited to remove a name from the quote and a kind of weird/implied name calling --protodog
Julie I answered your question already please go back and read???
I do not expect anyone ot agree with me I don't believe I ever said that either.
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quote: Originally posted by: Pitsanddobes "Julie I answered your question already please go back and read??? I do not expect anyone ot agree with me I don't believe I ever said that either."
Moving right along...how do you feel about the white dobies? I know I am probably not utilizing the correct terminology...
quote: Originally posted by: Pitsanddobes " No it is not about major disagreements. Tyson to be more spacific there was a topic Gina was not even involved in between be and another member. She took what I said twisted it and started a whole new thread where she and several others proceeded to bash and pick at me like I was garbage. Gina feeds on questioning my credentials in anything I have accomplished in my life. I get the feeling she is jealouse(sp) but Oh well. Fact is I am an ordained minister. I am also an expierenced dog trainer been doing it for years. I have bred, raised and trained primarily dobes and shepherds for over a decade and my family has done it for generations. I am a family rights advocate (which she stil does not understand what that is though I have explained it to her 3 times) And I also have worked as a paralegal. (never got paid a dime though) All of these things Gina questions. And a lot of the attacking I got on TP was due to this most of it was after her thread. Oh and lets not forget how She tore into me with followers in tow about Raw feeding. Gina's recent attack on me was privately done so we will not go into detail there. Ginal and I do not get along but she always pops up with some kind of comment about me. It just makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over to know that someone has me on their mind that much....NOT!"
You didn't have to explain to me what a family rights advocate is I am not stupid. The only reasons I said anything about your comments on feeding raw was because of your statements about feeding raw being dangerous because of all the raw toxins...Which is total cr** you just kept going on and on about how horrible it is to feed raw and it was all to obvious that you had no clue what you were talking about. And as far as your problems with TP I had nothing to do with any of that. You did that to yourself.... I am not going to continue this conversation with you out of respect for others who do not wish to hear this nonsense.
edited for name removal from the quote, a spelled-out cuss word, and name calling --protodog
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quote: Originally posted by: Julie " You still aren't answering my question...why do you still work around the question? A ordained minister of what religion? If you are so set in having people understand where you are coming from, why don't you answer? I don't think it is a hard question."
What exactly does it take to be an ordained minister? I mean to be honest, I am a notary public. The test is online and costs $99. I can marry people since marriage is SUPPOSED to be a legal union as opposed to religious one but whatever.
Ministers make good money. I have thought about standing on a corner with a Bible in one hand and a tin can in another begging. Then come back in week with a pillow under my t-shirt and three kids with torn clothes and a tin can.
My bets: the Bible and tin can will get more $$.
Yeah yeah, I know I am cynical. But you love me anyway right?
I have to say, this is amazing. I don't come on for a day and the first post i read, people are being mean to each other. Over religion? Come on. I for one, am Native American and have hundreds of gods. Do I expect others to understand it? No. Do i get pissed if someone questions my beliefs? No way. Why is this being an argument? Does anyone one even know what the original post was about at this point? What happened to the happy group? Come on people....lighten up!!!!
Who can help but love you MLS? I have so missed your wit and personality Im glad to see you posting here.
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Julie I do not practice a "religion" I have answered you twice now.
Gina,
You know what I have already gone over and over my views on Raw You claim I know nothin but in reality we just strongly disagree. Because I do not see it your way I simply know nothing? Interesting.
edited to delete the response to deleted name calling that was posted above --protodog
-- Edited by protodog at 21:31, 2005-04-02
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Tyson, the questions wasn't directed to you....but thanks.
So what you are saying is she is a minister of nothing? I am really just trying to understand. I think if someone is going to claim to be a minister, it should be of something, and should explained if they are going to brag about it. This just doesn't make any sense.
quote: Originally posted by: oasis05 "I have to say, this is amazing. I don't come on for a day and the first post i read, people are being mean to each other. Over religion? Come on. I for one, am Native American and have hundreds of gods. Do I expect others to understand it? No. Do i get pissed if someone questions my beliefs? No way. Why is this being an argument? Does anyone one even know what the original post was about at this point? What happened to the happy group? Come on people....lighten up!!!!"
Hi Oasis:
You bring up good points.
I have never understood why people get so upset about religions namely because I don't follow one so I guess tis why I dont give a rat's. Some things are supposedly unspeakable: like why didn't they just give Terry Schiavo an injection if the point was she needed to die.
Anyway, I was raised Presbyterian but...that went out the window. I just can't get into going to church. It breaks my mom's heart I think. I could think of better things to do with a Sunday morning. The lack of tolerance issue really turns me off. Religious doctrine just seems soo judgemental and intolerant of others.I have heard the phrase ordained minister, theologian, clergy, etc. I guess I never got into because I don't think I need a mediator between me and GOD.
I respect everyone's right to attend church, be a minister, deacon, choir boy, whatever..why can't anyone respect my right not to attend. It always seems like the least tolerant people are the most "religious".
I know someone who became an ordained minister in something like The Church of Jerry Garcia (I don't know what it is either). At any rate, he was able to do the whole thing over the Internet for a few bucks and was legally able to preside over a friend's wedding.
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quote: Originally posted by: protodog "I know someone who became an ordained minister in something like The Church of Jerry Garcia (I don't know what it is either). At any rate, he was able to do the whole thing over the Internet for a few bucks and was legally able to preside over a friend's wedding."
I agree tyson. My hubby was raised hard core chatholic (SP?) and even attended a chatholic school for 6 years. I corrupted him....lol. He refuses to go to church now and we both feel that if he was to pray, God would be everywhere so why do u have to be in church. My gods are the earth and all over it so, obvoiusly outside is the place to be for me. Ok, I have a good question. Religious people go to church (don't understand that) and they dress up and get all fancy for church. Why? Would God not listen to people if they showed up in torn, dirty clothes? Just curious
Been watching all of this all day and believe it or not I am trying to stay out of everything...the amazing thing is there is so much negativity and jawlaw had nothing to do with it...:) mark this down.
Oasis- couldn't agree with you more... God listens to you wherever you are, whatever you look like and whatever clothes you wear. It is the people who look down on others for how they dress, not God.