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Troubled in Tombstone · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

PitPat2AZ,

I am not part of any "Minuteman" organization but rather a concerned resident of Southeatern Arizona who has a lot of time on my hands right now. The borders are being overrun with illegals and Arizona is one of the worst but there are steps being taken to make it better.

I participate in Helldorado days every year, I own Curly Bill's Bed & Breakfast and Cochise County Tours. We take vacationers and tourists up in the mountains and show them the sites, Johnny Ringo's gravesite, boothill, etc. Then we do 4 OK Corral gunfight reenactments every day. Every once in a while I stop into the Crystal Palace for a couple of drinks and wake up the next day with my head in a horse trough. But I am working on fixing that....sent my liver to the Betty Ford clinic a couple times last year.

Ansy,

I heard about this site from a couple of the Jack Russell terriers who were complaining about the food I have been feeding them.

T in T

puttin510 · ~Grand Champion~ Gold Medal Poster!

Tombstone, you sound like a very interesting person. Sorry about your JRT.

Heck California has Borderpatrol too.

Ansy · Site Admin

Well, the figures are in and it appears that we have a 186.3% approval rating for our new members The Watcher and Trouble n Tombstone. Looks like they will be staying...lol (or else Mollie will kill me...lol)

BTW - it has been confirmed from TP to me that neither of thes guys are someone who was a past troublemaker and have never been involved in any of the 'issues' we have had.

Now, can we get on with our ...lol

-- Edited by Ansy at 01:20, 2005-04-08

MollieMae01 · Moderator

Tombstone, I think you're wrong about Tombstone being the most overrun by illegals. Estherville, Iowa is that town, lol. That's where I live and we have TONS of them in a city population of 10,000 or so. I have no clue why they choose to come here after living in such a warm place, but they do. Every time the egg plant gets checked out by the police or fbi or whatever, they lose like 1/2 their employees, 'cause they all run off to Texas till the authorities are gone. It's quite humorous, actually.
That was a sad story about Morgan. I almost started bawling when I read that. What a way to find your dog in the morning. I bet that must've crushed you!! At least I got to be with Eli when he died, although Brad and I had to be the ones to make the decision to do it. It sure is tough when we lose loved family members like dogs, isn't it??

Grim Reaper · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

Who is this Watcher which doth reside in my throne? Fair maidens, behold for that which is in front of you will also be behind you when least expected.

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Ooof, I like it when the unexpected is behind me...um, I am scrambling to find you the picture of you that I have... it is cute....

Troubled in Tombstone · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

Mollie,

I didn't say that it was Tombstone that was overrun by illegals, (they don't know that we use blanks) specifically it is the Southeastern Arizona borders where the trouble is ongoing. Now it would seem that your little town up there is quite a haul from the border (any border for that matter) so you need to start checking the backs of trucks and even....under the hood.

T in T

tysonthebulldogissocute · 7:24 AM, 04/08/05

quote:
Originally posted by: Troubled in Tombstone
"Mollie, I didn't say that it was Tombstone that was overrun by illegals, (they don't know that we use blanks) specifically it is the Southeastern Arizona borders where the trouble is ongoing. Now it would seem that your little town up there is quite a haul from the border (any border for that matter) so you need to start checking the backs of trucks and even....under the hood. T in T"

T:

Are you a Border Patrolman or a vigilante of some sort (i.e affiliated with The MinuteMen)?

Quite frankly, I think racism motivates the patroling of Mexicans. The NAFTA Treaty screwed them as did the Manifest Destiny or whatever it was a zillion odd years ago. Truth be known many years ago Mexico was rich with resources. Bad Agreements with the USA government has led to gross exploitation. Now we "don't want them here". As if the jobs they "take" or anything you or I would remotely be interested in. I mean do you want to clean hotel rooms for $20 a day? Every year there is a new "group" that is despised. Then we see the explosion of the "group" and they seeming overcome the obstacles and it is on to the next group. Mexicans and gays are this year's "we don't like you". It really is pathetic how truly intolerant our society is. Maybe because I am a 12 percenter my vantage point is different.

The USA will continue a downward spiral if we do not become more accepting of others. You will also find that President Bush is going to ease the borders. For one his sister in law is of Hispanic descent and his brother now speaks Spanish and converted to Catholicism. And of course President Bush is going to cater to the corporations who love the Mexican labor pool as much as they love the Chinese laborers (which I never see anyone complaining about the fact our entire retail industry is supplied by "communist laborers".). However, he will try to ride the fence to placate his Christian moralists who don't want "that kind" over here. Soon and I mean soon you will see the tide turning. The Christian moralists will see President Bush was only feeding them lip service to get their vote. He will not be able to deliver on any of the promises: gays will go away, Immigration reform, abortion...these things are not going to change any time soon.

In other words, I think your hostility against Mexicans is oddly misplaced.

But ..to each their own deadly poison....

(not a threat) LOL lest Ansy gets another email about threatening posts

LOL!

Love,

Me

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Tyson, I don't think anyone opposes the LEGAL immigration of foreigners here in Calif. but we have caught folk running slave rings here. Sealing those borders may give the legal immigrants a bit less competition for those jobs that no one wants as you have called them.
Are there a lot of illegals where you live? Can you tell legal from illegal by the jobs they do, their living conditions and the amount they are being paid?

tysonthebulldogissocute · 8:10 AM, 04/08/05

quote:
Originally posted by: Kittys Mom
"Tyson, I don't think anyone opposes the LEGAL immigration of foreigners here in Calif. but we have caught folk running slave rings here. Sealing those borders may give the legal immigrants a bit less competition for those jobs that no one wants as you have called them. Are there a lot of illegals where you live? Can you tell legal from illegal by the jobs they do, their living conditions and the amount they are being paid? "

Are there a lot of illegals where you live?

Yes.

Can you tell legal from illegal by the jobs they do, their living conditions and the amount they are being paid? "

Yes, yes and yes.

The disparity is alarming. Obviously English is a second language, the jobs they have are usually agricultural or domestic in nature and their living conditions (if they are migrant workers) is horrible. I wouldn't want to live like that. It is really sad. They also have to send money back home. Haitians are also deported. Cubans have faired well because everyone hates Catro and some say because their skin is lighter. I have my thoughts but the bottom line: again maybe my vantage point is different because I am a 12 percenter but I find the intolerance of many people quite frighteningly. One day it may be people with blue eyes, then brown eyes. I mean when does it stop?

MollieMae01 · Moderator

I don't think Tombstone was saying he hates Mexicans, or any other minority for that matter. I think he just meant that he doesn't like the illegals, therefore, he is a border patrol man. And I never said I hated Mexicans. We have lots of them here and I've never had a problem with any of them at all. There are actually quite a few nice ones that I cut hair for at the salon, which is the only time I get to talk to any of them.

I just don't like the fact that my city is overrun with the illegal kind. I knew kids in high school that were HIspanic and I do remember when the authorities started checking in on who's legal and who's not, there were quite a few who missed school for a week or two. I have no doubt that the kids that I went to school with were, in fact, legal-being born in the U.S. But I'm thinking it was the parents that were illegal, which is why they pulled their kids out of school and went to Mexico or Texas for a week.

And, yes, they do all those jobs that not everyone else wants to do, like working at the egg plant, as I said earlier. At least they have jobs. I just also wish they would speak English when they come to the salon, needing a haircut or something. I've cut so many Hispanic women's hair and all of them needed one of their kids to come in with them and translate for them. Plus, I can't really talk to them while I"m cutting their hair because I don't remember a whole lot of Spanish from high school and they can't speak English. Very frustrating for me!! But, whatever. I know that there's no law that says they have to be able to speak English, but I wish there were a lot more that did. Before I would move to another country, I would avoid the frustration of not understanding anybody by learning to speak the language there. Seems simple enough to me. I am not racist at all but I do have expectations like learning our language. I think that's pretty fair.

I also do feel bad for them, they buy the cheapest, tiniest houses and cram like 2 or 3 families in there. I really do feel bad about that, that they don't get paid very much, but need a house, so they buy the cheap ones. There are, of course, exceptions, but not many in my town.

Tombstone, I'm sorry I misunderstood you.

-- Edited by MollieMae01 at 09:38, 2005-04-08

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

And so, Tyson are you really doing anyone a favor, allowing them in as illegals, when people,[ because of their position as people in fear of deportation], take advantage of them, paying them illegal, substandard wages etc... Would the employers just have to pay more if we were ALL protected by laws regarding employment? I do agree that there is predjudice. I also think that the Mexicans that I work with appreciate less pressure from their illegal cousins, when there are so many that will work longer hours for less money being dangled like a carrot in front of greedy employers, and in front of legal workers like a threat...

tysonthebulldogissocute · 9:15 AM, 04/08/05

quote:
Originally posted by: Kittys Mom
"And so, Tyson are you really doing anyone a favor, allowing them in as illegals, when people,[ because of their position as people in fear of deportation], take advantage of them, paying them illegal, substandard wages etc... Would the employers just have to pay more if we were ALL protected by laws regarding employment? I do agree that there is predjudice. I also think that the Mexicans that I work with appreciate less pressure from their illegal cousins, when there are so many that will work longer hours for less money being dangled like a carrot in front of greedy employers, and in front of legal workers like a threat..."

Aren't we protected by employment laws now?

I get tired of it all. I wish our society treated everyone they wanted to be treated. I also don't like the disparity in incomes (athlete v. teacher). I guess I am in one of those moods: "life isn't fair"..WAAAHHH WAAAHHH!!!

LOL!

Ansy · Site Admin

quote:
Originally posted by: Grim Reaper
"Who is this Watcher which doth reside in my throne? "

Boy! This gets interesting! It's like a new reality show!

The Throne! Premiering April 7th on the Furum.

Tune in to see who gets voted off next.

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Aw, I thought we weren't gonna vote people off no more, Ansy. I hate the necessary evil of politics.
Tyson, yes WE are protected. Exactly my point. They are not protected. If they squeek, they get deported.

And Tyson

it's gonna be all right, don't wet your PC over it

PitPat2AZ · 10:00 AM, 04/08/05

I suspect the Mexican immigration reform will stall indefinitely due to this Country's ecomonic dependency on them. Has anyone seen the movie, "Day Without A Mexican?" Also, it was reported that undocumented workers paid into Social Security 2.7 billion dollars by using bogus social security numbers, which they (Mexicans) will never be able to collect on the other end. S.S. is unable to give up that much revenue.

Arizona's proposition 200 that has passed denies Gov. benefits to illegals. (Welfare, food stamps, medicade) which I found redundant since most of the people in the welfare line is Americans. It was clearly a message from middle and upper class Arizonians that they do not want them in the neighborhoods.

My Husband and I have two undocumented workers working for us in our small welding shop. After going through numerous American workers which we found to be lazy, crystal meth heads, larcinists, we found the undocumented workers to be hard-working, honest, and very appreciative, and respectful. We pay them a fair wage and it's worth every penny.

What Americans are most intimidated by is the cultural differences, which I'm included. Example being, a vast majority of them will live 3 or more families to a house. Loud family gatherings take place in the front yards and street instead of the back yard with loud salsa music playing. Half of our local radio stations are Spanish. More grocery chains have ethnic types of foods on the shelves and in meat counters. Billboards along the streets are in Spanish. But is our way of life changing? Not necessarily. It's just expanding.

Do we need stricter border patrol? Absolutely!!! Not necessarily to keep illegal immigrants out, but to keep out the middle-east terrorist that have made threats of "soft" terrorist attacks on schools, malls, and sporting events. These are the ones that we need fear the most. They will strip Americans of their freedom and their way of life more so than the Mexican people coming here for a better way of life.

Ansy · Site Admin

OMG!!!!....lol....KM, I totally meant that as a joke (because thats what all the TV commercials say). I wasn't meaning that they would be voted off from here...lol....but I can see how you thought that now that I go back and read it........too funny.....lol

BTW, I think a few of these ladies would lynch me if I did that.

tysonthebulldogissocute · 10:11 AM, 04/08/05

quote:
Originally posted by: PitPat2AZ
"I suspect the Mexican immigration reform will stall indefinitely due to this Country's ecomonic dependency on them. Has anyone seen the movie, "Day Without A Mexican?" Also, it was reported that undocumented workers paid into Social Security 2.7 billion dollars by using bogus social security numbers, which they (Mexicans) will never be able to collect on the other end. S.S. is unable to give up that much revenue. Arizona's proposition 200 that has passed denies Gov. benefits to illegals. (Welfare, food stamps, medicade) which I found redundant since most of the people in the welfare line is Americans. It was clearly a message from middle and upper class Arizonians that they do not want them in the neighborhoods. My Husband and I have two undocumented workers working for us in our small welding shop. After going through numerous American workers which we found to be lazy, crystal meth heads, larcinists, we found the undocumented workers to be hard-working, honest, and very appreciative, and respectful. We pay them a fair wage and it's worth every penny. What Americans are most intimidated by is the cultural differences, which I'm included. Example being, a vast majority of them will live 3 or more families to a house. Loud family gatherings take place in the front yards and street instead of the back yard with loud salsa music playing. Half of our local radio stations are Spanish. More grocery chains have ethnic types of foods on the shelves and in meat counters. Billboards along the streets are in Spanish. But is our way of life changing? Not necessarily. It's just expanding. Do we need stricter border patrol? Absolutely!!! Not necessarily to keep illegal immigrants out, but to keep out the middle-east terrorist that have made threats of "soft" terrorist attacks on schools, malls, and sporting events. These are the ones that we need fear the most. They will strip Americans of their freedom and their way of life more so than the Mexican people coming here for a better way of life."

Domestic terrorism is what we should fear not cozy political soundbites about "muslim terrorists". Timothy McVeigh was a white male. Born reared, educated and militarized right here in the good ol USA. He is not alone. Many people are angry.

I hated LA because my Uncle refused to let me go outside. And he lives in a million dollar condo in West Hollywood. Life is scary. I am not afraid of certain groups.. I am afraid of people in general.

I just want to have my dogs and live on a ranch away from everyone.

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

I just want to have my dogs and live on a ranch away from everyone.

Oh, Tyson, not a day goes by that I do not say that exact same thing. Best we buy one up before the Asians have it all. You think Mexicans are immigrating fast...well, Kitty's mom opens another can of worms with that one. I speak Spanish, some Armenian and Farsi...try learning Chinese...