MSN ABUSE email exchange

PitPat2AZ · 10:50 AM, 04/11/05

RE: MSN ABUSE email exchange

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

That is where we disagree. I think that given the fact that gina posted these obvious lies to the forums and caused my temporary banning AND given the fact that she placed doubt in the minds of several members that this Forum and it's members are entitled to the real facts. They are entitled now to know if in fact I am a threat to them in any way. Take for example the way the legal system works (or is supposed to work) When someone is accused they have a right to defend themselves. The accusers present their version of events and their "evidence" and then the defense has an opertunity to do the same. Incomplete, conspicuous and down right falsified evidence was submitted about me and it made people wonder. Now I have a right to defend myself. Which I have done and quite well I might add. Every member here has a right to now if they are at risk in any way with me being a member. While I may have strong views on things I am not threat to anyone here and now everyone knows it.

jawlaw · Moderator

Julie- she has every right to post this information here. The post accusing her of sending the email is still posted on TP, but this information that proves her innocence is NOT posted there. Have you ever had someone falsely accuse you of something and post personal information about you and your kids?

I bet not or you would understand it a little better. All I can say is that most people like this forum because you can say what you want to say and if someone (including myself) does not like what is going on, they do not have to stay.

Did you also post that same request on TP's board?? Just curious... Seems a lot of people want to post things here but do not do the same thing on TP... or maybe it is just because they know their post will not be deleted here and that they will not be banned here for saying what they think...hmmmm .....what a concept!!

Be happy it is like that here!!

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

quote:
Originally posted by: PitPat2AZ
"Pits, I believe you are innocent in this, but on the other hand I have known GinaH for almost 2 yrs here and on other forms and find it hard to think that she is a mean and vindictive person. Maybe she had been victimized and duped into thinking that she was sent that email by you. She was the reason I started posting on TP to begin with. One thing that I am in total agreement with is your personal life and the topic of your children should not have been posted. It had absolutely no relevance to the topic or the dispute. When I first read the post, I admit I thought you may have been behind the hateful email beings that there seem to be some major friction. And I'll be the first to say I was wrong. Maybe Gina will come to realize that maybe she was just used by someone with personal vendetta. I think she honestly thinks you sent her the message. Nows a good time to remove the lines in the sand that have been drawn and make peace. "

Thank you for your comment on my innocents in this. i appreciate and respect someone that can openly say I'm sorry I was wrong. It means alot. However Gina now can view the proof and it is up to her to make the next move for peace. I am open to discussion with her on this if she cares to discuss it. She can PM ansy and set up a chat time. But I doubt she will. As it stands I do not see any reason to believe that she is in any way an innocent bistandard in this. I welcome her to PROVE me wrong.

PitPat2AZ · 11:34 AM, 04/11/05

Absolutely!!! I was going on what I saw on the forum alone. I do not frequent chat rooms, so I was not aware of any other conversations. On the forum, alone, I do say you were on the receiving end of many scathing remarks. More times hateful than debateful.

You presented your facts in your defense and I'll admit that the email Gina posted was not what they appear. But nobody should have to defend themselves in accordance to their personal life or their children on a pet forum.

I never saw you as a threat. And for the ones that fled for fear of retaliation were over-dramatizeing.

jawlaw · Moderator

I for one am very appreciative of you post, pitpatz. Since you are not an "original" member of this forum and came from TP. It is nice to find someone that will tell it like they see it rather than just stick with the TP members because they like them. I appreciate your honesty.

Julie · 3:09 PM, 04/11/05

Jawlaw: I have the right to also voice my opinions....with that being said, I have also posted in the past on the other forum about how out of control this is and should be dealt with between the two people involved. I have nothing to do with the fact that the post my GinaH is still up over there either....As for now, I also won't be posting much here either...I have found that if you have a different opinion then the other here...you are made to feel that you don't belong. I have gotten along with most people here except a few from time to time. I think the personal issue in this matter is out of control...It doesn't matter...I will not be posting much here...and I never really did post much there either, so that is just how I feel. If in the future...all this garbage is over, I'll possibly come back. When I voiced my opinion, I didn't think, of all people, I'd be attacked by you.

See ya around.

Ps, I'm not posting this to get the "oh, just stay" to see if I'm liked or not....I could care less.

moencat · 3:15 PM, 04/11/05

Pits,

Given what you have posted, I also owe you an apology, as well as the respect of stating publicly on this forum that I was wrong in believing that you were responsible for the e-mail. I feel badly if anything I posted further added to what you were going through in that situation. It's not my place to assign guilt, nor was it when I chose to do so. I'm very sorry and I will keep all further opinions to myself.

I posted during the big blow-up that I did not thoroughly read any of the information about anything related to your personal life, and I maintain my position that the posting of that information went beyond the scope of the issue at hand.

From this point on, no matter what information comes up on either side, I will not comment one way or the other. I completely agree with Julie that this issue needs to die, but also understand that none of it happened to me. It's very easy for me to advise both you and Gina to turn the other cheek, because it's not ME. Again, Pits, I'm sorry.

Cathy

tysonthebulldogissocute · 3:29 PM, 04/11/05

quote:
Originally posted by: Julie
"I've been trying to stay out of this as it is between the two people involved in the situation....it dosen't have anything to do with this forum or that forurm or any forum in between. JUST LET IT GO, AND DEAL WITH IT BETWEEN YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm really getting sick of all of this. I don't care what gets said here or there...it is just making both forums look bad."

It does not!

The people that want to be here will stay. The people that don't will use any opportunity to leave and go back to TP (that being you). You want us to feel bad because we didn't believe Gina's "horribly threateningly violent email" but you have NEVER posted the vehement sentiments over at TP. I have read what you have written. I dare you to post this at TP. See how long it stays up that you believe "it makes both forums look bad" Go post this at TP. You have the freedom of being upset over here but you don't there. NONE of the things you post there remotely resemble your rant here. Over at TP you are fearfully apologetic. Wonder why?

I am sick of people from TP coming over here and telling us how to "behave". If you don't like the fact we have the freedom to express different opinions here then you know you have the FREEDOM to report back to the forum you feel most comfortable. Why make an announcement just leave. It's that simple.

OH and another thing

Bye!

edited for clarity in a name - ansy

-- Edited by Ansy at 16:35, 2005-04-11

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

What did I miss? Who is julie on TP? is she julie? or another screen name? Am I confued or did you referr to her as "heff"?

Please someone clue me in????

Julie · 3:38 PM, 04/11/05

EXCUSE ME!!! Tyson, MLS

Since when have you made a point to see what I have posted where? See, I don't agree with a few people...and right away, I'm favoring another forum over another??? Give me a break. All you people need to take alook at how you treat other people. I haven't sided with either party. I always thought both were in the wrong for posting all that c**p about each other. And, I don't need to take your dare...I don't have anything to prove at either place.

I don't follow the group just to included. I thought that was what was so nice about this forum that I could voice my opinion and not have to defend myself...guess I was wrong.

Oh and another thing....I was here before you so I'm not just one of the TP followers.

edited for name calling and letter removal --protodog

-- Edited by Julie at 16:40, 2005-04-11

-- Edited by protodog at 22:28, 2005-04-11

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

ALSO.....

I do not se how anyone has attacked you Julie? What makes you feel that way?

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

quote:

Originally posted by: Julie
"EXCUSE ME!!! Tyson, MLS Since when have you made a point to see what I have posted where? See, I don't agree with a few people...and right away, I'm favoring another forum over another??? Give me a break. All you high and mighty people need to take alook at how you treat other people. I haven't sided with either party. I always thought both were in the wrong for posting all that crap about each other. And, I don't need to take your dare...I don't have anything to prove at either place. I don't follow the group just to included. I thought that was what was so nice about this forum that I could voice my opinion and not have to defend myself...guess I was wrong. "

BOTH were wrong? Hold on a second Julie what do you mean? First of all let me point out I did not start all this. What I posted was in my own defense which I have a right to defend myself. I did not do it to be spiteful or hurtful. I did not fabricate anything or make it up. I did not make empty allegations or post anything without proof. I am sorry but I disagree with you I was NOT wrong.

ALSO I would like to add that I immediatly sent a copy to both Ansy and proto before posting this and discussed at length with Proto weather or not to post it and if it was allowed. I broke not one single rule and was given the ok to post the proof. I did not do this in a nasty trouble starting manner I simply posted proof of my innocents.

-- Edited by Pitsanddobes at 16:47, 2005-04-11

tysonthebulldogissocute · 4:08 PM, 04/11/05

quote:
Originally posted by: Julie
"EXCUSE ME!!! Tyson, MLS Since when have you made a point to see what I have posted where? See, I don't agree with a few people...and right away, I'm favoring another forum over another??? Give me a break. All you high and mighty people need to take alook at how you treat other people. I haven't sided with either party. I always thought both were in the wrong for posting all that crap about each other. And, I don't need to take your dare...I don't have anything to prove at either place. I don't follow the group just to included. I thought that was what was so nice about this forum that I could voice my opinion and not have to defend myself...guess I was wrong. Oh and another thing....I was here before you so I'm not just one of the TP followers.-- Edited by Julie at 16:40, 2005-04-11"

What exactly is your opinion other than you want it to all just go away? As Heff on TP (that is you right?) I have never seen you post your rants. I can go back and check and if you have I apologize. I simply have not seen where you have posted you want this to go away and why can't everyone drop it and on and on. I certainly never saw you post on TP that it was making their forum look bad. If you had I am sure that was deleted quickly and you probably would have been banned!

In fact can't say that I have seen you post again anything that resembles your rant here. I find it strange that people from TP come here and rant and rant then they go back to TP and post ever so quietly and nicely. Gina b**ched here for three days then went back to TP and soaked up all the apologies and "we love you Gina" and "we are here for you Gina"...never once discussing how she totally threw a hissy fit and disrupted this forum. Neither did Huronbreeze. I think it is time it stops.

I find it funny TP posters tell everyone what to post and what not to and then when they disagree and say well, we will post what we want.. they stomp away and say bye. That is silly. You can't have it both ways. So you don't like it then stop posting at TP and this forum and find somewhere else. It's that simple. It really isn't complicated.

edited for letter removal --protodog

-- Edited by protodog at 22:30, 2005-04-11

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

StormyWinter · Moderator

OMG will this fighting ever end! POINTLESS! Just read the info! No one was attacked get over it!

tysonthebulldogissocute · 5:13 PM, 04/11/05

I am not arguing. I simply am stating that if you don't like what is posted...leave. If you don't like how Ansy handles things leave.

Why does there have to be an announcement and a rant about how much you can't don't agree with whatever decision Ansy has made. Leave.

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Rather than encouraging anyone to leave, which I think is wrong, I would suggest that starting your own threads and staying off threads that will bother you is a better solution...

Denise · You have been awarded the Posting Star of Honor!

You know every time I start getting hopeful that the prior issues are been relegated to their place in history or one resurfaces and it appears as tho it is going to be a good thread something always seems to start things roiling again. And the part that amazes me is that for the most part the newest upsets aren't even between the original parties to the problem.

Can't we just let the past be that and let it go. For the peace of mind this thread gave Pits it has also created more animosity among other members and I am sure that is not what she was looking to accomplish.

The 2 forums are totally different in what is allowed and how they are run. Ansy has created an extremely fair & open-minded forum for all of us and yet here it is with TP still being given importance just about each and every day here in at least one thread. You all agree this is the better site so let's forget about the other one.

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Ok please please STOP!!!! Everyone! Look What Gina posted was clearly made up and a falshood. I had a right to post the evidence to clear my name and I did so. People who use common sense can see this situation for what it is make their statement and move on. Others cannot seem to do so. FOR WHATEVER REASON!

I am going to say this best I can and I am not meaning to be offensive.......

Julie, I feel as if you really had me fooled. You were so nice to me here in the begining I mean the dancing welcome letters and all, but now I hear your "heffinator" on the TP forum? Is that true? Because if so I feel as if you were a bit two faced with me and that really makes me sad. If this fact is an accurate one then I can see why you are so upset. Because I feel like you never really liked me on TP and you don't like me here. That is ok. I can live with that. But what urks me to no end is that you seem to be the only one wanting to turn this into a long dragged out thread where peoples opinions need to be defended. You don't want to hear about it? You don't want to see it? Why do you even click on the thread then? Everyone that had something to say said it calmly until you.

Lets be frank about this what exactly is your problem with me? Because I feel like it is not so much a problem with the thread but the fact that it vindicates ME. Would you like to come to chat and we can discuss this issue? Because several people will tell you, I am sure, that I can calmly discuss issues with others such as this. To be blunt and honest I feel like you have a problem with me and I would like to resolve it. IF that is NOT the case then why do you persist in making this into another flame topic?

I said this best I could hope it does not come across offensive or break any rules if it does I AM sorry. So if that be the case the PROTO please edit away lol.

edited to remove an unfortunate metaphor --protodog

-- Edited by protodog at 22:33, 2005-04-11