MSN ABUSE email exchange

tysonthebulldogissocute · 5:52 PM, 04/11/05

RE: RE: MSN ABUSE email exchange

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Your right poodlemom I did not intend this and I discussed with Proto how to best post it to try and avoid this.

jawlaw · Moderator

Again- for the ones that are so upset about this, I think you need to think about what was done to Pits..her personal life was posted for everyone to see. She had the right to defend herself which she has done and now, it could blow over, if people would quit criticizing her for it. I don't want anyone to leave, but just don't click on these, you know what it is going to be about!

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Well.if any one cares to read my opinion. Read away. If not. Skip to the next post.

I personally think this is all contrived on the personal computer of our own Pits. I think it was not MSN generated and I think it is a hoax…But.. that’s just my opinion. But only the tough talking/acting pit mongers will never see it until she does a double cross on them some day. As far as freedom of expression. That is all one sided. If you disagree with the mouthiest members you will get chastised for it. Guaranteed. Since it seems to be a “them again us mentality” and this mentality is fueled From Ansy on down…

Ansy wrote:

So far there have been no major problems in chat, but as the member base grows and other TC members come into the room, you never know when action will be needed.

I take that very offensively and think it is inflammatory. No wonder your membership is divided with the one side pushing the others around. I don’t see how this should be allowed. But it isn’t allowed it is congratulated and urged on.

What about the problems I was faced with. How many more do you need to hear from? You never checked out the other witness so it seems you don’t care much for truth as you do with keeping problem causing people safe and cozy snuggled to you boosum.

Tyson Wrote: I am sick of people from TP coming over here and telling us how to "behave". If you don't like the fact we have the freedom to express different opinions here then you know you have the FREEDOM to report back to the forum you feel most comfortable.

Why does any one have to cut ties with any forum in order to not be construed as an issue here? …why does Julies or my, memberships (for that matter ) elsewhere seem to bother any one else. Cuz you can’t go? Well not unless you go incognito that is. I think this is sad and sorry coming from a bunch of people who refer to TP members in such a way as making them feel second-class. Im sorry. I have never been Banned from TP…But that does not make your elite group of the “banned” the right to chase off good people who want to contribute to any and all forum site that they can. I have read and let most of this stuff roll off my back. I just hate…Blanket statements. Not all TP members are bad. Not all Furum members are loose cannons. But why do members who come from TP have to either choose or defend their right to visit any web site they see fit…I just don’t get it.

edited for name calling --protodog

-- Edited by protodog at 20:03, 2005-04-11

tysonthebulldogissocute · 6:24 PM, 04/11/05

Originally posted by: huronbreeze
" Well.if any one cares to read my opinion. Read away. If not. Skip to the next post. I personally think this is all contrived on the personal computer of our own Pits. I think it was not MSN generated and I think it is a hoax…But.. that’s just my opinion. But only the tough talking/acting pit mongers will never see it until she does a double cross on them some day. As far as freedom of expression. That is all one sided. If you disagree with the mouthiest members you will get chastised for it. Guaranteed. Since it seems to be a “them again us mentality” and this mentality is fueled From Ansy on down… Ansy wrote: So far there have been no major problems in chat, but as the member base grows and other TC members come into the room, you never know when action will be needed. I take that very offensively and think it is inflammatory. No wonder your membership is divided with the one side pushing the others around. I don’t see how this should be allowed. But it isn’t allowed it is congratulated and urged on. What about the problems I was faced with. How many more do you need to hear from? You never checked out the other witness so it seems you don’t care much for truth as you do with keeping problem causing people safe and cozy snuggled to you boosum. Tyson Wrote: I am sick of people from TP coming over here and telling us how to "behave". If you don't like the fact we have the freedom to express different opinions here then you know you have the FREEDOM to report back to the forum you feel most comfortable. Why does any one have to cut ties with any forum in order to not be construed as an issue here? …why does Julies or my, memberships (for that matter ) elsewhere seem to bother any one else. Cuz you can’t go? Well not unless you go incognito that is. I think this is sad and sorry coming from a bunch of people who refer to TP members in such a way as making them feel second-class. Im sorry. I have never been Banned from TP…But that does not make your elite group of the “banned” the right to chase off good people who want to contribute to any and all forum site that they can. I have read and let most of this stuff roll off my back. I just hate…Blanket statements. Not all TP members are bad. Not all Furum members are loose cannons. But why do members who come from TP have to either choose or defend their right to visit any web site they see fit…I just don’t get it. "

Same drama different day!

Maybe because I have seen how you cut up in here then mosey on back to TP and act sweet as pie and as if your feelings have been hurt. You and the rest of your clan bring chaos then act like "why is everybody always picking on me". Please.. You said you weren't coming back yet you are here AGAIN...taking digs at Pits YET AGAIN!

And you wonder why I say if you don't like it here then why do you keep COMING BACK!

If there is an us against them agenda...ask the TP mods how began....

And you can back off of Ansy...she has been more than accommodating which is the direct opposite to how she is treated at TP...her posts are deleted at that Terrific Pets...at least you CAN post here...you ought to THANK Ansy...

WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edited for name calling in the quote and "spelling" --protodog

-- Edited by protodog at 22:37, 2005-04-11

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

NOONE expects anyone to choose a side. It is amazing that you have the truth staring you in the face and cannot seem to accept it. How sad. The fact is I asked a question. Is julie in fact heffinator on TP? Pretty simple question.

I have been as polite as I can be about this but when someone like YOU comes on and makes comments and posts an attacking post such as your last it tends to tick people off.

If you have such a problem with Ansy and her attitude and you don't like the way this forum is run WHY ARE YOU HERE? That is a pretty reasonable question.

Now huron do you have a logical answer or are you JUST going to continue to spout off? Seems you WANT this to go on and on and on and turn into something it is not.

Instead of being argumentative why not do something constructive for a change. Email MSN and ask them the same questions yourself. See what they tell you. I have NOW emailed the other one as well that she claims confirmed it for her and will be posting that one as well.

edited for name calling and a reference to previously deleted name calling from another post --protodog

-- Edited by protodog at 20:07, 2005-04-11

Smooshie · Puppy Post'er (I'm gonna be one BAD dog someday!)

No Pits, Julie isn't Heffinator...I believe her name on TP was jbg .

StormyWinter · Moderator

OMG people why not everyone just shut it and let it go. There isn't a need for any of this. People will think what they want and no one will change that. Opinions are like butt holes EVERYONE has one. Let the everyone have theirs and let it be. If you disagree don't go into a hissy fit about it and start a whole new drama about it. Let the past be what it is The Past, History! What ever you want to call it. Let it be!

Julie · 7:43 PM, 04/11/05

Pits, I'll answer your question and I wasn't avoiding you...I just got back from dinner with my daughter who turned 21 today.

I stated before here, that I am Julie here, jbg at Terrificpets and julie1760 at petlovers. I have nothing to hide in my names. I am not who Tyson seem to think I am. I don't have a problem with you personally. I think the way both parties have handled the whole situtation is wrong. This is my opinion. That is all. I stated that I have posted simmular thing about it stopping at both forums. What is funny is that alot of the same members, are at petlovers, and this isn't going on there. I just stated that both parties should let it be done with on the forums and deal with it personally. I have nothing against either of you. I have not been two faced and haven't played the forums against each other. I just thought it was strange, that we are suppose to beable to voice our thoughts here with out all the c**p that goes on at the other place. Yes I am a member of both forums....I have never caused trouble at either place. I think it is sad that some people are being made to feel that their opinion, if different than the majority, is wrong. I won't make appoligies for having an opinion. Unless anyother thoughts are aimed at me...I'll just go back to reading as I have for the last week or so.......

edited for letter removal --protodog

-- Edited by protodog at 22:39, 2005-04-11

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Thanks Julie I didn't think you were ignoring me. I hope I was not offending you by asking that I just get confused with all the members is all. I just would rather ask directly then assume. How was your dinner?

jawlaw · Moderator

Julie- I have always liked you and I certainly don't need another enemy. I apologize for jumping on you, but I just can't understand why everyone is not apalled at what has been done to Pits... I just don't get it. Maybe you really don't know what happened. Does anyone recall that GinaH posted an email accusing pits of sending her a threatening email. Everyone jumped on Gina's bandwagon calling pit a criminal, a psycho.... and so many others, I can't remember all of them. AND to top that off, they posted links that had personal information about her children....If anyone read those links, they would know how far GinaH went to spread this information to make pits look bad. Even if you had had trouble with pits in the past, after reading that information, all I could have is sympathy for her. To see everything she has been through and then to see someone place it on a website to be vindictive... I for one, will never get over it and I can only imagine how she feels.

So please, let her prove that she was the victim in this to those who are willing to listen and for those who are not, this will end soon unless you keep attacking her for it.

I don't understand you people at all!

This is not a keyboard, this is an actual person with a real life and real problems and to treat her like they did is unspeakable!!

Julie · 8:07 PM, 04/11/05

quote:

Originally posted by: jawlaw
Everyone jumped on Gina's bandwagon calling pit a criminal, a psycho.... and so many others, I can't remember all of them.

I didn't jump on any bandwagon. I tired to stay neutral, but it has to stop somewhere.

Pits, no I wasn't offended...I didn't see where I was thought to be Heff whoever....

Anyway...I'm done with this topic, unless I'm asked a direct question...I'll keep my opinions to myself.

As Tyson said many times....

whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Quote:Please.. You said you weren't coming back yet you are here AGAIN...taking digs at Pits YET AGAIN!

Never did I state that I was not coming back here..sorry to those who are upset over this news..But..I thought if you were a member you were a "member" . And..if the dig fits were it..

oasis05 · Moderator

I agree Kitty's mom.........

tysonthebulldogissocute · 8:33 PM, 04/11/05

quote:
Originally posted by: Julie
"Pits, I'll answer your question and I wasn't avoiding you...I just got back from dinner with my daughter who turned 21 today. I stated before here, that I am Julie here, jbg at Terrificpets and julie1760 at petlovers. I have nothing to hide in my names. I am not who Tyson seem to think I am. I don't have a problem with you personally. I think the way both parties have handled the whole situtation is wrong. This is my opinion. That is all. I stated that I have posted simmular thing about it stopping at both forums. What is funny is that alot of the same members, are at petlovers, and this isn't going on there. I just stated that both parties should let it be done with on the forums and deal with it personally. I have nothing against either of you. I have not been two faced and haven't played the forums against each other. I just thought it was strange, that we are suppose to beable to voice our thoughts here with out all the crap that goes on at the other place. Yes I am a member of both forums....I have never caused trouble at either place. I think it is sad that some people are being made to feel that their opinion, if different than the majority, is wrong. I won't make appoligies for having an opinion. Unless anyother thoughts are aimed at me...I'll just go back to reading as I have for the last week or so......."

OopsiesDaizy...DANG! There it goes again (me that is).......why is it I keep thinking some people ...whatever....

Julie I thought previously you said you were Heff oh...I dont know ..

Has anyone heard from Harley?

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Tyson your so funny lol. I know how you feel I go through the same thing. Too many peopel with different names and too hard to tell who is who half the time I am going crosseyed trying to figure it out

Ansy · Site Admin

To clarify.....

Lets all remember that the rules state:

We can feel safe to post our opinions without the fear of getting bashed because our views are different.

You are all welcome to post your views and opinions here, but I cannot guarantee that they will not be challenged. If your views are in the minority then you will be challenged more than others. Thats just how it goes. However, you should never be made to feel like you are getting bashed because of it, nor should you use that as an excuse to complain. What determines 'bashing' can sometimes be hard to decipher on the internet. As with any public domain, if you post opinions not shared by the majority, you should expect to be challenged on those views. When the majority believes a certain way, there are more people to speak out about it....because they are the majority. This does not validate their claims and/or statements, it just means that there will be a more noticable pattern of people 'believing' a certain way. It's all in the numbers.

Julie and Huron have every right to post their feelings here as do jawlaw, tyson, pits and others.

I can sympathesize with the feeling of having the minority view. That was what I had at TP when I was there. God forbid I mention the Labradoodle. Anyone remember that? I was jumped up one side and down the other and inevitably, my strong views were the reason for my banning (IMO).

You will never be banned here for expressing your views and beliefs and I encourage you all to state what makes you tick. That makes things interesting here. I realize some of you are tired of this thread, but what kind of a place would this be if I didn't give someone a chance to clear their name of such horrible accusations? As I've always said, I'd allow it for any of you.

Everyone is just a little uptight at the moment. Let's all cool down and re-think what we are doing here. I believe this all started with Julie's post that she was tired of all of this. I think it's important to allow members to express those views. It's only fair since those who are not yet tired of it are able to express theirs.

I view posts like Julie's as feedback concerning this forum. She is a member who is expressing how things are running, in her opinion. We need this sort of thing. We need views from everyone, good and bad.

This doesn't mean that we can't challenge Julie's views - which is what has been done. When this happens, just make sure you challenge in a respectful way so that no one feels stomped on. Its a fine line to walk, since we cant hear tones and see facial expressions. Sometimes mistakes will be made - we are human and are not perfect.

I urge all of you to take the opportunity to learn from how other people feel. Ask yourselves......WHY was it so important to pits to clear her name? WHY was it important for Julie to say she was tired of it? WHY do I feel the need to post a strong rebuttal against a post someone else made, knowing the outcome will not change? It's becacuse we are wonderful human beings and we are all different. Some of us thrive on entertainment and excitement. Some of us thrive on tranquility and calmness. In knowing that, lets make sure we allow everyone an equal place on this forum to express those feelings. Let's also understand that some, many, none, or all - may not agree with us and question our reasons for feeling that way.

It is not wrong to be questioned. Wrongness comes from not asking questioins.

-- Edited by Ansy at 22:35, 2005-04-11

Kittys Mom · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

Nicely said Ansy.

jawlaw · Moderator

Excellent post, Ansy. This is why I love it here. Even though, most probably do not agree with my posts, I am allowed to say it if I want to. You are allowed to take up for yourself when you feel the need. I admit to typing before I think sometimes and for that I apologize, but we are all still here because we love the fact that we can say whatever we want (within reason hopefully with respect) and we know that Ansy will not ban us.

That is also why people who are members of both forums feel free to post their opinions (even if they post them very strongly). They know that Ansy is fair and will not ban them. I think they would all agree they cannot do that over there.

So we all just need to remember that is why we like it here, remember?

I apologize to anyone that I may have offended.

-- Edited by jawlaw at 22:49, 2005-04-11

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

I would have to say that I expected some to still not believe and some to speak out that this thread would just end. That is understandable. But I think that we have to try and remember how we come across to people. I am guilty of this myself sometimes. And being a very stronly opinionated person sometimes I come across wrong. I felt that Julie was more irritated the whole thing ever happend to begin with. But with Huron it was not presented that way from what I read. I feel her post was more an attack then an opinion and I was VERY offended by it as I can see others were as well. Proto of course has edited it and was jonny on her job as always and she edited mine because it referenced Hurons.

To simply say "I still don't believe you and i think you are making it up" would be stating opinion....

Huron went way beyond that. And all that ended up happening is several members collectively had their panties in a bunch. Not only because of the attacking manner in which it was done but because quite honestly Ansy NOT a one of us who commented can understand why she if she has negative things to say about your methods of running this forum and and negative things to say about mostly everything else and we are all so bad WHY doers she stay? If it is so bad here why is she here then? It is a valid question.