A man who is a member of the same hunting club I am, wants to breed his bitch to my Brewster. She has not earned her CH as of yet, but she shows enormous instinct in the woods. She is an excellent hunter and has a very professional temperament which is getting to be a requirement in these dogs (professional temperaments mean they do not 'socialize' while working).
I'd really like to breed with this bitch, but I don't know her owner that well. I wouldn't want my stud to be associated with pups that were not trained, socialized, or whelped to my standards. Even the best dogs who have the best puppies can still have a situation go sour if the owner is not in the loop.
I'm almost thinking of telling him that the only way I'll do it is if the bitch is in my care throughout the pregnancy and until the pups are of age (8 weeks old). I have heard of many stipulations in breeding contracts before, but I also wonder if I am asking too much here. I would agree to half the cost of care for her if something happens. Does that sound reasonable?
They are both proven dogs in treeing, hunting, sniffing, and temperament. Brewster has earned his CH. They are a fine pair for breeding, I'm just a little nervous from not knowing the bitches owner that well.
I'm not too sure on breeding. But I think that if you don't have anough trust for the bitch to be in her owners care during the pregnacy than do you really want to breed with them? I can understand your concern. Maybe you should give yourself some time before you decide to breed. Maybe wait until her next heat. Sorry I am kind of clueless on it all.
I've never been involved in breeding but I can understand your concerns. However, having said that, on the other hand if it were my female I don't think I'd be too receptive to letting my female stay with the stud's owner during the pregnancy - I'd want to have 100% responsibility for the care of my own dog especially during a pregnancy. Has he ever bred any of his females before? It sounds as tho he is quite involved with his female and working towards her training by what you have said. Perhaps some of the other members of your club are more familiar with him and would be willing to share any insight they have. If it were me I'd ask him alot of questions. If he has bred before I'd ask for some references and speak with some of those who have gotten his pups in the past. But in the end if you have doubts I'd hold off if it were me.
Contracts are usually worth only the paper they are printed on. You really don't want to take responsibility for some else's property. Make sure the bitch is tested for Brucellosis, or do AI. Make sure she has clearances necessary for your breed. Charge a stud fee up front. Make sure the dog is tested, also. Can't much control what he does with the pups. If you question ethics, don't do it. In California, there are laws that protect puppy buyers. If they have those where you live, he may be a mite more careful to whom, and what he sells. Fine hereabouts for selling unsocialized pups is $1,000. per pup.
(I'm almost thinking of telling him that the only way I'll do it is if the bitch is in my care throughout the pregnancy and until the pups are of age (8 weeks old). I have heard of many stipulations in breeding contracts before, but I also wonder if I am asking too much here. I would agree to half the cost of care for her if something happens. Does that sound reasonable?)
I have been breeding Australian Shepherds for 7 years.I would never let my bitch stay at someone house that I don't know and I never take my stud to someone house and I would not like someone telling me where my pups can or can't go.I sell my pups to working/breeding homes and pet homes.
I know in conformation breeding, usually the stud dog is taken to the bitch. A contract is signed (contracts will hold up in court because i have seen it happen) and the stud fee is paid up front with a stipulation that if the breeding doesn't take, you can try again or they get a refund. Only do it if you trust that the owners of the bitch will take care of your dog. Most owners of bitches will NOT relinquish their dog to the stud dogs owners while she is pregnant since they will want to monitor her pregnancy. I know i won't. My contracts state that i have the stud dog for the breeding and keep my bitch. The stud fee is up front with a possible redo or refund if the breeding doesn't take. I agree to check references and make sure they are a reputable breeder. My mom has been breeding dogs for 30 years so i have been around it all....lol
Oasis, NEVER have I seen a stud dog owner that would give you their dog. Contrary to that, the bitch must be up to the dog's standards and is left with the stud owner, or taken back to see to each breeding. Stud dog owners are often careful to make sure the bitch is free of VD, and is bred until undesirable to the male, to insure that she will not be rebred by other males, if she is returned still in season. MOST of my peers insist on AI's to make sure the bitch does not contaminate or injure their male...
Lets just say that the owner of the bitch has your stud over and the owner of the bitch has more then one bitch how do you know that they will not bred other bitch to that stud kinda like buy one breeding but get 2 or breedings from free.
That's one reason I would not take my stud to someone house.Plus Andy was a kennel dog when I got him at 6 months old.He did not know how to run,play or being around people and other dogs.He was real shy and not real trusting and so skinning.Andy will not bred in front of someone he dosen't know. I feel he would think that I rehomed him.When I got him he was 24 lbs and now 3 years later he is 69 lbs he has 5 acers to run on all day no kennel no chains just fence he is a happy boy.
Generally, the bitch goes to the stud owner for mating, or a mutually agreed upon place. Stud fee is paid in advance. Offer on stud contracts vary, but usually stipulate that you are guaranteed 2 or 3 live pups (depending on breed and avg. litter size) or have a redo next heat cycle. We had a stipulation from a stud owner of a standard poodle litter that if any were kept or sold open registration, that we or the buyer must put at least two titles, fully tested, and be at least two years old before the dog/bitch could be used for breeding.
As said before, if you don't know or are wary of this person, don't breed. Also as previously stated, see if others know him better and get references. How old is the bitch? You could always wait until she's titled.
Let us know what you come up with or decide.
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That's interesting since all the breeders i have know have taken the stud to the bitch or yes met to breed them. Hmmm. Most breeders i have known also know the other breeders so they know who to trust. Not just any joe schmo. Oh well, guess i have no idea what i'm talking about.
quote: Originally posted by: oasis05 "That's interesting since all the breeders i have know have taken the stud to the bitch or yes met to breed them. Hmmm. Most breeders i have known also know the other breeders so they know who to trust. Not just any joe schmo. Oh well, guess i have no idea what i'm talking about."
oasis05, I was not saying your wrong, but in Poodle circles anyway, the bitch goes to the stud. And as Pharlane said, the chance of multi females being bred while your stud is away is just to risky, even with people you know. If you want your bitch to be bred from a kennel across country, would they send the stud to you? I've actually never heard of that. Maybe us Poodle people are weird. (OK, I know your probably saying to yourself "Not Maybe!")
A breeder I know here in town (actually the breeder of our "Sammy") has a lady here from France breeding her bitch to his stud. Why she would go through the expense, etc. I don't know. I would think there were just as good of studs available in Europe she could use.
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np........i was wrong. I asked my mom and she said she doesn't send out either one. She meets for breedings and if she can't, she doesn't do it. She only breeds her dogs with people she knows. Sorry i gave incorrect advice, won't happen again.....
I still would not take my stud or any of my bitches and leave them at someone house.I don't even leave my bitches with people I know.I did once and I got my bitch back shaved and it was winter and I think the lady mis treated her so I learned my leason that was about 3 years ago.I new the lady to.Them the other day she called me wanting to know if I had any pups andI told her no and even if I did I would not sell her one because of what she did to Shannon.
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