Hey guys. I decided a few weeks ago to get into volunteering in any capacity at the local shelter, and the dog rescue organization in town. I have been walking dogs at the shelter, and volunteering at the PetSmart on weekends with local rescue groups. Well, here are some of my concerns.
First off, I was looking into fostering before, then Dokker actually came home..lol..and it's too much work at this point in time just to get two hours of sleep a day, let alone add a third dog, possibly with serious issues to the mix, and it would not be fair to the dog. Besides, I have since found out that those of us without fenced in yards wouldn't be eligible to foster.
Bringing me to my next point. When I decided to get a second dog, I discussed, with a few adoption organizations like Molly's Malitia doing so, and was told without a fenced in yard, I wouldn't be able to.
So, I'm sitting there with the lady last weekend who is in charge of the local Molly's Malitia, feeding, watering, bathing dogs, and I ask her about that rule. She says,
"People without fences are just going to add to the problem eventually. That dog will get loose and end up worse off than when they were with us. It's too big a risk to take."
So I pondered that a bit, without trying to get defensive, (as I am a home owner who bought this house for investment only, and knew I'd only have it two/three years before I sold it so never put money into fencing)..and she goes on to say some seriously troubling and outrageous racial remarks..I will post a gist of what was said, as it is so vile I can't do it verbatim.
"...like the <black people>. Take them for instance..I will not adopt to any <black people>. Every single time I did in the past, they end up bringing the dog back...<disgusting racial comments>..Seriously..they are lacking something that the 'rest of us' have...that humanity that 'we' have."
OMG. Appalling. I was disgusted. And, that also negated any thought of her fencing explanation being valid. I want to hear your thoughts, as I cannot come up with a good reason why those of us loving, responsible people who happen to not have fences can't rescue an animal...I'm open to understanding, just can't quite figure it out.
Sorry this was so long...it's just, the whole thing was distressing. I am also looking in to who I can turn her in to. ACLU? I'm not one for doing that, but denying a respectable, responsible person or couple the right to adopt an animal based on their race is blatant discrimination and illegal. And STUPID.
A fenced yard is important, but only if the dog is going to be staying outside by itself a lot. They make long no tangle ropes that you hammer into the ground that you can leash to the dogs collar, and they can be out on that for short periods of time.
I think as long as the people are loving, responible, and know what they are getting into it should not matter. People who live in apt dont have fences, and have to walk their dogs, no diff to me.
Wow Dook..What a idiot. I would report her to who ever would listen. She isnt suposed to sterotype or predijce a race by all means. The fence thing...I dont no...the rescues i have seen are one way or the other..Some take things to extreems and then wonder why no animlas get adopted and they in turn can not accept any more since they are full. I dont know what the answer is truely. I would just do your thing and you might fine a rescue that would work well with your sittuation. I personally would not add more to the mix just yet. Get your puppy trained and under way and they you can look into adding in to the house hold..Just my opinion. only you know your sittuation best and your deep desire to help might over rule your head. I wish you the best...
wow ,thats sooooo messed up.most people wouldnt be volunteering if they didnt have a real concern for animals. there are so many people that have dogs and no fenced yard. i am not into tying a dog up .but so many dont have a fence and just take the dog out to do his thing.i would have been really upset at the "black" people comment. although quinn.me and my kids are white, my son has a fiance' that is black and my grandson is mixed. color of skin should never be an issue in anything . and it has nothing to do will being a responsible pet owner. geeezzzz some people are so ignorant. i dont have a clue who you could even call about it. but it is so unfair. maybe you could start with the local aspca and they can tell you who to contact .i would definately save the email. you might need it later. i hope that you can get it resolved as i know you would make an excellent foster parent. and with so many homeless animals you would think that they would be thrilled that a good,kind,dog lover like yourself is offering to help..... let me know how it goes .......................deb
Lots of rescues have the rule about a fenced yard. I think that rule probably keeps quite a few of their dogs from ending up in loving homes. One thing that I have found, though, is that if you are in a situation like that, a person with a non-fenced yard, it is still not too tough to find a good dog to adopt without going through the rescue agency. You just have to dig around a little bit. The other day on another message board there was an ad posted for a beautiful Mastiff right in my small town, free to a good home. Apparently he is a great dog with people but needs to be an only dog. Of course he wouldn't work for me, but the point is that individuals are re-homing dogs everyday, and non fence owners can go that route.
As far as the ugly stupid things that lady said--- Wow! I think that would have been one of those times when I was so angry I'd actually get tears in my eyes. If there is anyone above her in the organization, I would report it to them. In writing, keeping only to the facts with none of your opinion thrown in.
I just wanted to add that I am ashamed that that kind of hatred and ignorance is happening at a rescue in my very own state. I want everybody to know that the vast majority of people here would be appalled and disgusted with a person like that-- it isn't the norm!
that is just WRONG ! and ignorant. i would be especially p.o' d on the statement refering to black people. what the heck does the color of someones skin have to do with providing a good home for a pet ! although i am white ,my sons fiance' is black and their baby is mixed( my grandson ).and i love them all to pieces.she has a son by a previous marriage ,kimani is 7. i consider him my grandson also. that women has some serious issues to even MAKE a stupid remark like that ! and alot of good responsible dog owners do not have fences. i dont believe in tying a dog up , but they can be taken out to :do their thing" and live just fine as a house pet. i would call your aspca and find out who you can talk to .and save your email from her. that woman has no business making the remarks she made. a fenced yard shouldnt be that big of a deal ,but the color of your skin has no bearing on whether or not you are a responsible pet owner. dont let her get away with what she is doing. it is unfair to the many black people who would provide loving homes for them........................deb
I am not going to respond to the racial remark that lady said because i would have to have the entire post edited or deleted for the bad language! As to the rest, i can't say anything better then what has already been said.
Yes, Dorothy, yes I am. Thanks for the comments guys, and yeah, I had a hell of a time dealing with how to handle the situation. It's not done yet, though. I'll do what I have to in order to get it out there. And, I do understand the fencing thing, I suppose. I got Dook from the shelter, and they were cool with it, but it's these other places that are almost..like...arrogant and snobbish about these dogs, and it seems they would only let you adopt if you are a person who meets their silly little mold of what a good dog owner should be. Super rich, with white skin and a fenced in yard, wear tons of make up and have a poofy poofy southern up- sweep hair do thingy. (no offense to any of you who are that person..it just means you can get a dog anywhere..congrats!) hahaha. I don't know. I GET SO MAD!!!
That hoity toity personallity sounds like the rescue lady at petco. I thought about helping them, but I simply did not feel I would hit it off with her, she seemed so cold.
Those were terrible things for her to say. You should have set her straight. Lord there is the sweetest black women that works at our pet supply place, very very smart. Gave up a banking job to work with animals. She's great. There are in every nationality people that just don't know how to properly take care of an animal. Maybe the people she is running into, have great intentions but find out they don't know what they are doing. I don't believe that its jsut black, it was probably maybe two, so she lumps everyone into the same catagorie.
You know, our pet supply place does rescue too. I have gone down the last two weekends to help. I always thought you had to have a fenced yard too. But there was a gal, inquiring about a dog, said she had a condo, they questioned her. And it turns out it was perfectly fine with them if the dog was allowed to do its business on the balconey permitted the walls were high enough so's he would not fall. So they are workable. The dog was small too, so a good walk after work would have been sufficient for him. Anyway, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Turn that women in to her higher ups. They need to talk to her. If that happened out here in Los Angeles, boy would she get in trouble.
Oh, isn't it strange how a white person will say something racial to another white person thinking we are all in cahoots. I am white. But I know there are tons of good upstanding loving black homes ready and willing to care for a pet.
Puttin that was what was so surprising to me!!! That she thought I would like, agree or something just because I'm white. Well, if anyone is really even white. hah. I sure as hell look more non white than white, but the fact that my skin wasn't black made her seriously think I was a little conspirator or something. Gyah. And yes, I do sincerely regret not telling her off. I am normally a strong and opinionated lil chick, but I was so flabberghasted (sp) during her little speech I just stared at her..then a woman walked up to inquire about a dog, and interrupted it. I was so devastated I just went to my truck and went home, depressed at the whole world. And yeah, doing a bit of crying. Hatred in any form hurts my heart. That was physically painful for me. To be reminded what type of people are still out there, and lose faith in your fellow man.
So true puttin! I find that if I am with people who don't know me that well and anything about biracial couples are mentioned people will go off like, thats sick, i don't believe in that, etc. Then I'm like both my sisters are with black men and all my neices and nephews are mixed. Then they are like Oh and just shut up.
I'm unfortunatley about as white as they come. I have soooo often envied their darker skin color. My ex husband is just as dark, Polynesian, and he used to feel the crunch of just having darker skin. My boys can get very dark, they look nothing like me. This world IS truly a melting pot. Thats just me, we have philipeno married into our family, etc etc.
Another case of someone displaying an I.Q with the same number as their shoe size. I mean really, would Opra Winfrey be denied adoption of a dog?!?!? I would think not.
Another blanketed stipulation in adoption qualification is age. My Mom was denied adoption of a Westie because of her age and the rescue shelter didn't think she was capable of caring for a dog with "hyper tendencies." Also she lived in an adult gated community on a golf course, with out a fenced yard. Mind you my Mom is very healthy and capable of caring for a dog, She's also well off financially to provide anything this dog could possibly need. Her last dog, Mini, died two years ago at the age of 18.
I definately question the criteria of some rescue groups, I think sometimes they're hurting the cause instead of trying to make it better.
The fence issue is probably an all inclusive rule. Some people without a fence may be just fine while others may not. the rule is probably just standardized in order to keep things more organized on their end. They have one rule and it applies to everyone so that they don't have to make individual decisions regarding fences. Too time consuming for a voluntary organization.
The racist remarks should be reported to everyone you can report to. This woman is denying animals of good homes because of her own personal feelings. She is allowed to have those feelings, but she cannot use them to determine the functions of a public facility.
I would suggest a pocket sized tape recorder and bring up the conversation again with her. That way you have proof.