ADDITION TO FORUM RULES - PLEASE READ!

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

RE: ADDITION TO FORUM RULES - PLEASE READ!

Shadow · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

I have stayed out of this issue so far, but I have to say Huron you have raised some very good points to be pondered.Nice job.

Sydney · Moderator

I personally like Ansy's new rules. Many times I have read the TP threads and when someone mentions someones name from this forum it automatically turns into a Furum bash. Why go over to TP and talk about a member there, it just adds fuel to the fire and then the whole thread at TP turns into a Furum bash. If anyone has a problem with someone on the Furum then bring it up with the person you have a problem with and dont talk about it at TP, or just forget about it and dont read posts from that person, I dont think thats to hard to do.

I like this forum cause you can talk about whatever you want, and now we have the NC17 & TP folders. I believe Ansy's new rules will help this forum attract new members b/c there will be no more bickering(hopefully) and it will keep old members from leaving. We are still free to say whatever we want as long as we are not bashing the Furum or people on it and I think that makes sense.

Shadow · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

I wasn't saying anything agaisnt any of the new rules,I also like that tp is an off subject here.

Sydney · Moderator

Shawdow, i didnt mean that, I was just sharing my opinion :) I didnt even see your post till just now

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Sindney..I personally like the new rules too..I just think they are incomplete. I hope that Ansy takes a look at the other side of the coin and can see where Im coming from. I have seen members who belong to both places...jumping into tp agruments when they should not be subject to any argument if the people who cause the trouble would just stop. I have seen threads on say trolling for example and it has gotten both Erica and Julie into arguments when the basis for the post was from a troll or imposter was there spouting furom and bashing tp and then these good people jump into a hot seat when they should not have to. I think..any one can and should go to any site they choose..and even if they are baned and want to go back it is on them..i would just think they could keep their mouths shut and not make all of us look like lunitics and all disgruntled vindictive people hell bent on causing trouble. I think that if they go there and read that is great..a free country and all of that..but if their ip address is banned they should not keep trouble stired up with one post wonders and making us all look bad..Thats what im getting at. I think that it is very few trouble makers..so please dont think i am saying all do this..for I know they dont..I just think if new rules are to be in place that they need to address how we as a group is recognised. If we are all lumped intogether as losers...i think that is a unfair generialisation. We are not..but some have gotten into a a few squables when they are sticking up for the furom as a whole and it isnt the whole group that makes us look bad but a very few..Thats my point Sydney...I just think that that factor and threatening behavor has been applauded in the past and both things are not indicitive of what goes on here...but that is the impression. I would like more people know that it is niether..just some good people talking about subjects and pets..and thats it...I hope that i made my point clearer..if that helped any..i dont no...Im not condeming any thing or any one..just there is room for more work...thanks

Ansy · Site Admin

Huron,

The username ImAhacker joins TP and spams the board, either bashing/promoting The Furum. Who would you ban from here any why?

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Although I agree with what you are saying, There is no way for me to enforce a banning rules on this. If I start banning people because I 'assume' they are the trolls over there then what is to stop the TP members from signing up under assumed names and acting like trolls just to get more of our members banned because I'm on a deleting spree based on an assumption.

Thats why I said these rules do not apply to spammers.....I don't know who they are and cannot enforce it. They apply to the people who post openly with the names we all know them by.

You can always go over there and dis-agree with things we say or do here. Thst has never been a problem, but when our own members go around calling us a bunch or losers, whiners, rejects, etc - that will no longer be tolerated. If someone feels that way about The Furum, then they clearly joined this forum for the wrong reasons and do not need to stay. To me, that is someone who signed up just to be a thorn in our side. Its like they were saying "I'm a TP member that you hate......I'll be nice on your forum and then talk about you like trash when Im back at TP........but I'll always be around because as long as Im nice here there is nothing you can do about it". WRONG. The rules have changed.

So, can you please answer my question above. Given the exact same knowledge that I would have on someone spamming TP, who would you ban and why?

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Ansy..I dont fully understand the question but I will go on the assumption of what it is that your driving at. i dont know about any TP bash/promote the forum post..I have not been on there yet..I go back in forth first here then there and so on..so I dont know what your speaking of..if it is real or hypothetical. That said..we all know that some folks even your self had admited to going on TP and doing one post wonders and you certainly know the others who do this since it is applauded and rejoyced..or at least i should say it has been. There has got to be a way to get a feel from a post and say..ok that is so and so and i will frankly talk to them...They should tell you if they are or are not doing it..and you should explain that they are hurting the furom not helping it by doing that..and ask that they stop...no..i guess you cant find out ip numbers on that site..but you have an idea as most of us do to what and whom is doing it..If you needed proof I would assume you could get it from Admin and then conduct the proper investigation and do what you had to do. I think if there is a will there is a way...so if you really wanted to i am sure you could find a way to combat all the crap. Now..I dont no if the rest of the answer was to show me bashing goes on or if your insinuating...but I am going to go on the assumption that your trying to show me that bashing goes on on TP>.yes..sure it does...just as it is a past time here..more so befoer then now..but it has been a problem. But most of the bashing begins with these stupid impercination posts and one post wonders...and then the dam breaks and all the tp members chime in...You cant help them...no one liked the Acey post over here...and many spoke out..So..if the innitial part of the problem would stop the problem for the most part would be pretty well moot. I know most people seem to be members of both furoms...and most of those have not ever said a negative thing about the furom...So..why not conduct a experement Ansy...a clinical trial if you will...and see for your self. I hope that you can see where i am coming from. I am just trying to yack on a few sites of my choosing and that should be a simple thing to do..But...I senced from your responce that isnt the gist of what your seeing...so...please explain a bit more if there is more behind this Ansy...I am all ears..Thank you in advance...

dusty082155 · ~Best In Show~ Senior Board Member!

i think the best solution to the problem is IGNORE the troublemaker. you can tell by the post if it is a legit post. if you feel it is not.ignore it .i was unbanned from tp. because it was found out that i did nothing wrong. but someone was and is pretty darn good with computers. there were things said to someone that didnt even come from me. not even my ip addy. weird ? yes. it makes me leery of even signing on ANYWHERE alls someone has to do is change one letter or digit and unless someone islooking real close they dont even notice it is someone else. the bad thing is you can tell that it is a different addy but you cant tell where it is coming from. so i have to agree with ansy on the 'WHO DO YOU BAN'? it would be hard to single out anyone without proof and you can pretty much bet that no one is going to admit to causing problems. it so sad to know that people have little to none as far as a life goes that they have to get people so riled up. but they can only do it if we allow it. if we just ignore them,and sometimes its hard , they will give up and move on. someone is coming on another forum and starting on the people there. her post are locked as soon as she post and they catch it. people that come on forums just to cause problems get bored real quick when no one responds to their childish games . lets just all get along and share with each other and not let some troll get our hackels up !

jawlaw · Moderator

Believe it or not, I have tried to refrain from getting into this. I have read part of the posts. Other posts... I do not have the time or desire to read the ramblings, but Dusty has a good point. If you don't like it, skip over it. It is no secret that Huron and Shadow hate me and would like to see me off of this forum. We all know who you are talking about. However, most of the trouble originates from TP first, then I go back and take up for myself. However, once again, I have been staying away from over there. And once again, they still have trolls there that are NOT me. They will always have trolls stirring up trouble. As will this forum. There are many others that go to TP that they love to blame me for, so if Ansy just "assumed" something, that would not be right. She is doing the right and fair thing. Just as everyone has said about TP, "If you don't like it, dont' go there." If you don't like it here, there are plenty of other forums.

-- Edited by jawlaw at 16:07, 2005-05-22

O.K. I'm back again. I went and read a little more of the ramblings. Huron- did you post a thread over at TP telling admin over there how to run their forum? Why do you think you have the right to come here and tell Ansy how to run hers? You are a piece of work, you know? You have so much to say over here, but do not post the same over there. You know why? You would immediately be banned over there. You would not get away with saying the things over there that you say here. So you better count your blessings and quit griping about everything, please!

-- Edited by jawlaw at 21:20, 2005-05-22

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Jawlaw...contrary to popular belief...I dont not hardly use the word hate..just isnt in my vocabulary..And you will never hear me say I hate a human..I might not like what they do but I do not hate.I guess if your admitting to posting and spaming (even in the past) I would ask that you stop...Not for my self but for the sake of the whole furom. I dont care if you go and read...but the rest is causing problems. I think that your a valuable member here and should be valued and you can and should be instrimental in making this a bigger and better place...and it very well can and should be..I am just asking for the nonsence to stop..if your doing it..ok..please stop..if your not..Ok..i accept that..and have posted on tp several times that maybe it was some one posing as you...(see...even I have stuck up for you...) I dont care who it is..I am asking for it to stop and then maybe it will be very nice here again. I know that Ansy has gone way out of her way to create places for us to express ourseves...I personally will not be going into any of the talk city folder places as I dont have the need to talk dirty or give off color jokes..and I dont have issues with TP so that folder isnt one i would use. That way...Those who do complain in there will not think i am carrying information back and forth...cuz..I wont even go there..So..I think this board has evolved signifigantly. So please..if my message has struck a cord with you...It was not because I said your name...so if your compelled to admit to wrong doing..I just ask that you turn over a new leaf and lets get down to what we all do best..yack and love our pets. I have no issues with you or any one on this board. I hope that you see where Im actually coming from. I am just saying that the furom looks silly and the members as a whole are labled...if all the stuff stoped on this side..it eventually will stop on that side..since it wont be fun any more. As you can see the Acey pic thing was a bust..it backfired and look at all the really great members we now have to talk to because of it. Look for the positive JAw..not the negative..Lets all see things on the bright side..Im game..are you???

Shadow · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

ONCE AGAIN, WHY WAS MY NAME MENTIONED JAW?

jawlaw · Moderator

Huron- I respect the fact that you say you are wanting to make peace on both forums. I am just not quite sure why you are posting it all where everyone can read it. Maybe it IS just me, but it comes across like you are trying to start trouble. If you are NOT, then I apologize and we can move on. You know from being here this long that Ansy will not unfairly ban you. So, I do not know what you are worried about. As you have told me, look at the positive and don't dwell on the negative "what ifs"...

As far as me posting on TP, I never denied that I went back to TP and posted from time to time. So this was not a "bare my soul" post...lol. I have continually tried to let things die down, just to find out they have been bashing me again. In fact, I even continue to receive pm's from people with links from over there telling me what they are doing. So, yeah, I should ignore it, but when a person is being bashed or wrongly accused, it is hard to stay quiet (for me anyway).

Like I said in my previous posts, I have not been causing trouble over there and they continue to have those "troll" posts, so it can happen even when it is not me. :)

I appreciate that you are willing to let bygones be bygones and I am always for that myself if it is working both ways. It is hard to correct a problem with just one person, but if both are willing, it can work.

Again, you do NOT have to worry about Ansy unfairly banning you and I think you understand that as well. :)

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Jaw..Thanks for posting..I posed in the open since I want others to see the responces that i get also..maybe some others think the things I am posting..I too get PM's and many have expressed issues I bring up. I certainly have no personal issue with you Jaw..and I applaude the fact that you said that you have done some trolling in your day..So..since it isnt a "he said she said" thing..I sugest that you refrain from doing it and try with all your might to not post to messages that are sent to excite you. As i have said I have posted numerious times on TP that maybe it isnt you..and If It was..I think it is better to use a name simular to your well know name then to make up. But since most of us what to get past the horse crap that has gone on..your self included..Can we please try some thing..In light of Ansys new rules..Can all the tp bashing and posts be on the TP folder and then you will know the only ones who can get that information is fellow members who go there and have access to that folder..and Ansy will know all the ones approved to go there..And then I would ask that you refrain from going to TP to do anything but read..and if you do read some thing unbecoming...Please dont respond to it for say 1 month. And see if this mess doesnt get better. It wont certainly go completely go away...but I would be willing to bet that it will get a whole lot better..I think that your a valuable member and that your getting viewed in all the wrong light because your emotion gets the best of you when you see a personal post that isnt nice..and I dont actually blame you...just your talents are not being used to the fullest here and you are better suited for a positive spin then negative. I know that some one mentioned that your a Christian lady..And I too am very devout believe it or not..I dont like many things that you dont like..So...I am saying this as one good christian to another. Also..I am not concerned with being unfairly baned from here...I have had a few people your self included ask Ansy to ban me..So I do know from what I speak..I asked specific questions for the answer that I get. There are loopholes everywhere and I would be willing to bet any one can fall into one..So..I am asking so that we are all aware of what they are and maybe in questioning it, it might bring about a question even Ansy has not thought about and might have to address in the future. That is the whole mystifing truth behind what I have been asking and posting about. I am not afraid of baning..if I am I am..I wont come back and create trouble..but I will miss the truely great people whom I have had the privlage to get to know on this forum..And yes..most go to others also..But you cant get the same level of conversation as you can here since it would be an off topic post..So..Please..Jaw...Look deep into what you really think I am trying to say and go directly to what i am actually saying..I have no hdden agenda and no underlying reason...Im out in front with it since that is how I conduct life..Lets get past the trouble you and I and get to the fact of the matter..If you dont like to talk to or respond to me because of preconcieved notions I would hope that would stop...and we can post and respond like everyone else..And if you want to avoideme I cant do any thing about that. But I think that your not using your full potential and often seen in the wrong light and not viewed as the person you really are. Why not let eveyone know just who that person is...Sorry if I did not answer all the questions that were posted...the page defaults to page one and I can not see your post..so if I missed something..Im sorry and if you let me know Ill get to that too...thanks for reading and taking the time...

tysonthebulldogissocute · 10:20 AM, 05/24/05

I cannot stand Huron or Shadow and wish they would leave Jawlaw and Ansy the heck alone!

This place is kewl and fun to read when those two crapshooters are not ****ing and whining all the time. Alright already. you dont like Jawlaw, you want Jawlaw banned, you hate Ansy's rules. We got it the first time...NOW GO AWAY ALREADY! It is sooooo old!!!!!

They **** and whine white and ****...leave ...LEAVE AND LEAVE!!!! If you dont like it...LEAVE! nothing is going to change because of your incessant belly aching...

Shadow · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Well im here to tell you the feeling is very mutual.... TEACH. Im here for the long haul so if you don't like it leave.Did you hear me or do I need to say it louder..........LEAVE You only come around to start trouble.YOU ARE A PIECE OF WORK.Ihope you are more productive in your classroom.

-- Edited by Shadow at 11:40, 2005-05-24

jawlaw · Moderator

Tyson states her opinion just like you do. However, it is not quite so fun to be on the receiving end, is it?

Shadow · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

lmfbo not its alot of fun.................honey!

Shadow · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

It has nothing to do with being on the recieving end Jaw????It has do with a member that doesn't contribute jack unless its to slam someone.Kinda like stirring the pot YA know????? I could care less what he has to say about me.I just find it really strange that these people that only pop in to start trouble only have something to say about me and huron,really strange if you ask me.

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

First off..I just read the amended versian of Jawlaws post edited on 5/22...so I will address that first..She said:

O.K. I'm back again. I went and read a little more of the ramblings. Huron- did you post a thread over at TP telling admin over there how to run their forum? Why do you think you have the right to come here and tell Ansy how to run hers? You are a piece of work, you know? You have so much to say over here, but do not post the same over there. You know why? You would immediately be banned over there. You would not get away with saying the things over there that you say here. So you better count your blessings and quit griping about everything, please!

I have not told Tp or Ansy for that matter how to do any thing..I have asked questions and why is that an issue I might add? I am not afraid of being baned from there or here for that matter..that is if it is done in the fair fashion..and not some underhanded plot to rid any one who questions any thing over here....and doesnt let loud mouths bully them in to submission. I have no issues with any one but yet I am singled out by tyson..who comes only to post venom and then go back under the rock from hence she came..I Dont feel like I am griping about any thing..I am asking questions..I must ask..why does everyone speak for ansy except Ansy...I am at a loss..These last two posts make 4 people..2 of which I think are not legimate posters just trouble makers btw...BUt Ansy doesnt say a word..If she has a problem isnt she a big enough girl to say some thing her self? She has no problem before stating she doesnt like me..so..If she feels like I am trying to tell her what do do..dont you ALL think she would have said so..Either publically or Privatly. I think that Tyson is a bitter shell of a human who thrives off of pushing people around..and all the new folks are here watching her push another person around..so..they probalby wont say boo to her when she dominates the board...But I will..I dont care if 5 or so of the members dont care for me..I wont shival up over it..I have a great time responding to the threads I feel I can contribute to...I dont slander and call out any one..can Tyson say the same..Im trying not to drag Jawlaw into it as her post was posted and edited before I made my last messge to her..But I will say to her I have made posts on TP when the thread was on that topic like last fall about upcoming changes..I had lots to say about it. BUt That site was up and established not a work in progress like the furom is. When the rules change monthly because of things that present them selves that means that it is a work in progress..I know that JAw law mentioned I am a piece of work..I thank you...I sincerly agree that I am a peice of work..But you cant get a better friend or a more formatable foe..I am not the brush off push over kind of gal that Tyson is used to dealing with...she gets her way if she out talks them with her poison...So..let her..It is not secret that she wants me gone..I dont care...I would be happy if she fell off the face of the internet too and didnt come back..But Im not going to let her or her poision words bother me. I do hope that Jawlaw and I can seperate the posts and she not just side with Tyson just for the sake of it. If she so chooses I cant stop her..I wish the others who have opinions would speak out and not be afraid of getting blasted by the likes of Tyson...But..I understand...I hope that answered any questions that Jaw had..Tyson had no questions..only comments...so..I do feel lucky to be able to communicate on an open forum...I do respect that..and I have always spoke to others with encouragement, support and kindness...Why is that a threat to any one? It might just be the divide and conqure theory...Get rid of any one with a back bone and a mouth to say it and the board is a open rein for the terriorists who plague it once in a while..Thanks for allowing me the space to type my responces ...