ADDITION TO FORUM RULES - PLEASE READ!

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RE: ADDITION TO FORUM RULES - PLEASE READ!

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Thank you Julie for the post that Im not the only one who had questions..but im afraid that saying so will in some eyes align you to me and some how you will get flack from it..if so..im soory..

Jaw..i admire you on sticking up for people on TP>..I have done the same..like when Chili pepper was on there and very rude to people..not called for..And I have made comments sticking up for Jaw and pits both on Tp and here..but...no one notices that..So..big deal..

I dont see as why pits should throw her self in this tag team...since she was not part of it and insinuated her self like a dog who double teams another dog...not a pretty picture..so...attack away...everyone sees who the real bullies and trouble makers are..need i go into detail...

Ansy · Site Admin

It was a beautiful day today. If I am correct, none of us are blind. Something to be thankful for. I walked to my mailbox. I have legs to walk and arms to reach and get my mail. I heard the birds on the way back up the drive.

I got in my car and drove to work today as well. Seen many people who were not as fortunate as me. Not in a monetary sense, but simply in the sense of life. I passed a child in a wheelchair who will never walk to her mailbox on her own two feet. She'll probably never drive without financial backing for extreme surgeries and coaching - yet she smiled at me like there was just no better day than today.

Imagine that, a child in a wheelchair smiled at me as I walked by. She even whispered a soft "Hello".

Life is a big picture and this forum is only one pixel of that picture. Lets not take it to heart. Yes, there will be people we disagree with and don't like......but look at it this way......

Would you be so dis-respectful if the person here who you happened to hate was that little girl in the wheel chair that I saw today?

We can't see each other. We don't know who we are hurting or making angry.

Let's all be nice. Ignore the people you don't like and respectfully disagree with the people you disagree with. Don't try and smooth talk your way through things because even on the internet, people can still see right through you. Don't try to cover things up or hide. It's the internet.....most of us don't care about anything other than what you can offer in a conversation. We are not here to take vacations together or even like each other. We are here to learn from each other and in the process we bond with a few and build relationships.

Relationships and groups are formed in every civilized and un-civilized nation in the world. It even happens in the animal kingdom. What is going on here is very normal behavior.....there are a few 'groups' here. A naturally formed group of beings is not what deciphers which group is superior, if any. It is the intelligence level which derives from within that group. The intelligent always succeed in any species. I am not saying that anyone here is not intelligent - you all are. I'm just noting what separates our groups within our society (as a whole) and that simply the formation of a group does not grant superiority to one or the other. If we can ever grasp that, we will succeed at many more things.

As the rules state, please respect other forum members and defend yourself when necessary. You cannot police respect, you can only ask for it. What is respect to one may not be respect to another.

Say I had a huge zit on my face.........and someone told me about it. Are they making fun of me by pointing it out or are they showing respect by letting me know so that I don't endure further humiliation?

See? We view respect differently and that is why it cannot be policed. Some make it very obvious that they are not showing respect......like name calling.....which is why name calling gets edited out (if I can catch it). Other times, its not so easy to tell. Thats why the other part of that rules is there - defend yourselves when necessary.

If you feel that someone is being dis-respectful, ask them about it first. Find out why they feel that way and make sure there just isn't a mis-understanding. Lots of times things can be cleared up by just talking to others. Keep in mind that the emoticons here help with displaying the emotions we cannot show others. You can also say things like "Not being sarcastic but......" or "I'm not being mean, but I just really want you to answer my question". I don't want people defending themsleves everytime they come onto this forum. If that happens, then the best thing to do is to ignore them. If they still persist, let me know and I will see what I can do.

Sometimes we just have a clash of very strong minded, strong willed people and there is no conclusion or understanding. I suppose the best thing to do is to deal with each case individually at that point.

I have seen truth in all side here. There was just a little problem with the wording in some, so I edited a little. All in all, it looks like a discussion that could get soem things in the open and maybe get some hard feelings behind people if things are discussed the right way. It appears that jawlaw and huron have been able to work through this. Maybe more good will come out of this as well.

Ansy · Site Admin

Huron, I'll try to answer your question.

I believe it was along the lines of "If furum members will be banned if they go to TP and bash the furum, then will they also be banned if they go over there just to start other trouble?" (Like just making troll posts that have nothing to do with The Furum).

I'll try to give an answer by example......

2 business - Sears and Dillards (forums), each have a set of employees (members)

If the Dillards employees go to Sears and pickett or bash Dillards, then Dillards would fire them because they 'slandered' (for lack of a better word) their store. If Dillards employees went to Sears and just caused trouble in general, Sears would be the one to deal with that (such as calling in their own security to remove them). Dillards would not fire their employees for circumstances that happened elsewhere that did not affect the image of Dillards.

The first example also hinges on the fact as to if the employees could even be identified. If Dillards could not identify which of their employees slandered their store, then they would not know who to fire and would probably just hold a company meeting to talk to their employees.

The same applies here. If Furum members go to TP and bash this site then they will be banned because it demeans the image of The Furum. If The Furum members go to TP and cause general trouble, it is up to TP to deal with that. I am not here to make sure that TP runs smoothly. That is their job. I am here to make sure The Furum upholds a pleasant image for those who may wish to join.

Again, any of this hinges on the fact that the people involved can be identified. Getting IP's is easy.....finding out exactly who they belong to is not. Proxy servers make that nearly impossible. That goes for this forum as well as any other.

I hope this helps. This is not a swiss cheese answer. It is about as clear as I can make it. there are no loop holes in my explanation here. Bash The Furum - your banned (if you are identified).......cause trouble over there - they are the ones who have to deal with you.

Basically, asking me to ban members who cause trouble over there is no different than asking them to ban members who cause trouble here (like Acey & GinaH). Did you ask them that question when those incidents happened? Did you expect TP to ban those 2 for coming here and starting trouble? It is not their job to do that, it is mine. The forums are separate and troublemakers are to be dealt with by each forums set of moderators. We can't crossover and police the other forum. Now, if Acey or GinaH had come over here and slammed TP then they may have been baned from there (depends on their rules), but they just caused general trouble and that is to be dealt with by me and the moderators. The same applies over there.

If I answered the wrong question, please let me know.

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Julie,

I hear what you are saying and adking questions is not the real problem I was referring to. I see nothing wrong with questions as everyone has them. But in all honesty Ansy is not mandated to explain herself and what urks me to no end is it seems that huron has a need to question just about every move Ansy makes. While I see Ansy patiently trying to appropriatly address the truckload of questions thrown at her I also see that she is pretty well baggered when she does not answer promptly or if she fails to give an acceptable answer. Ansy has done a fabulous job with the Furum considering all she has had to deal with. She pays out of pocket to keep this place available for us and she is more then fair to all the members. In fact it is my opinion that Ansy tolerates far more then she should be expected to and yet SOME people just expect her to tolerate beyond what she already does. I kept my mouth shut and bit my lip for as long as I could. I just couldn't stand it anymore. If Huron does not want those who stand behind Ansy to express their feelings about her constant bellyaching them perhaps she should not subject us to having to sift through all of it. Perhaps she could have addressed it in a PM. But no you see it is apparent that huron seeks to get a rise out of people. So ok since she worked so hard at it. Again she shouldn't dish it out if she can't take it. For anyone to think we should all sit back with our mouths open in shock looking like a school of codfish is unrealistic.

I will continue to stick up for Ansy and those who I consider friends as I happen to be a rather loyal friend. I am also a relentless enemy. I have a pretty simple concept I live by. If you don't like the reaction you get when you tick someone off then don't go out of your way to tick them off. Huron knows her insufferable grilling of Ansy will get under the skin of those who see her for what she really is and so she got exactly what she asked for. And most likely will again.

PitPat2AZ · 9:33 PM, 05/26/05

Is the Furum Sears or Dillards? Hope it's Dillards. I really like them better.

jawlaw · Moderator

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Originally posted by: PitPat2AZ
"Is the Furum Sears or Dillards? Hope it's Dillards. I really like them better."

Well, of course it is. lol. The Furum is most definitely Dillards.....he he he

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

pits...look on page 2...ansys reply to me specifically...she said if there were any question to ask privatly or publically...I did what she had said i could...So..please go back where you came from and bit your lip else where...i was speaking to Ansy...not you in the first place..Ansys own responce was pretty clear...both of them as a matter of fact..she could care less if any one asks question...Have you seen me do any thing unseamly...Have I hacked any one????? HUMMM..Have I threatened any one..Not a soul...So..Politley disengage your self and go to another post if you domnt like my Pi**ing and moaning and growning..I asked for a reason..and I got an answer....and I appreciate that..I dont Private message Ansy because she has told me she had so many she cant get through them all..she said it to me in a pm and on the board one time..So..I post here...to save her time..I also have a few others who message me and have the same worries and questions..out in the open is far better then under wraps to me..So...bite through the lip...i dont care..I was speaking to Ansy...It is between her and I..I never said any thing bad about or if i liked or didnt like her..that isnt the issue..I dont know her well enough to form an opinion like that..But She is a big girl..she can handle herself..she doesnt need a few bouncers to protect her along the way...And she CAN speak for her self...She doesnt need a barage of folks sticking up for her..No one is attacking her..I asked questions..pretty simple..So..Pits...or who ever else doesnt like that fact that I asked a few questions...in public...I say Sorry...it isnt in your control either...She designed it this way..and Im abiding the rules..so where is the problem...HAs any one seen me post any info from here to TP...? Like any one would care...Nope..You cant find not one instance..So..go chat it up with your cronies..where you have strenght in numbers...im satisfied...I got what i wanted..some kind of answer to the questions that bothered me...Not the answers I had hoped to some questions..but I can see her view..and it may end up in the next stage of rule revisions...who knows...cya next time...lol

Pitsanddobes · Post-a-Holic - Give this person a rabies shot!

Ok Ansy I have had it with this. I have kept my my word and stayed calm as I could but enough is enough. I am not gonna take her stabbs at me and clearly her remark about hacking and threatening is a stab at me. More often then not she finds a way to make a reference to those issues in some way. Do we all have to be subjected to this on a regular basis? I mean really why are we stuck with having to sift through her constant whining?? She calls people names, ever so politly causes the most horrific blowouts and still we have to put up with it. I am not questioning your authority so please don't think that is what I am trying to do here I just wondered if there is any way to put an end to her incessent rambling on and on and on??? Obviously no one would expect you to police the activities of these members when they are on other forums she just started this to stirr the pot. As you can see by some of the many relplies to her posts both recently and in the past there are several of us here who are sick of he rambling and little stabs, digs and inuendos not to mention out right name calling. She is continually rude and insulting to people and has the utter nerve to complain when she is given a taste of her own medicine. Ansy please do something???

huronbreeze · MAD DOG!

Not one time did i call you a name or a hacker..I was ACTUALLY refering to some one else..so you must have a guilty concious..If you want the thread to stop..stop posting already..Im intitled to respond..and the beat goes on...You see my name if the posts bother you...by all means..side step it and dont read it..Im not twisting your arm...I wish Ansy too would asnwer your questions..for some of the ones who calll me a whiner are the biggest whiners on this board...how many whine threads were statered by you...plenty...So...take a asprin...but ice on your head..do what ever need be to calm down and read what you want and leave the rest...im not talking directly to you in most cases and unless i do i dont see why you have to stick your nose into it..I will continue doing what I have been and like it or not sister...not much you can do about it..just like not much I can do about you and yours..So..scat