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I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Advice please? (long) **UPDATE**





The road where we live (thie first half of it) is known for being a hot "animal drop off spot" because there are no houses on it.  Its a very narrow road gorwn up with trees on both sides.  There are no houses for about the fist 2 miles of the road.....just an old country backroad.



When I was a kid ( I grew up about 3 miles from where Im living now), I remember seeing puppies droped on this road all the time.  It was just normal.  In 1993 I rented a place on the same road, only to continue to witness the animal drops.  I lived on this road for 10 years and seen hundreds of animals waiting on the roadside for the next person to come along and either take them home, hit them, or ignore them.



In 2003 I moved into the city to work, and was finally rid of having to see the roadside babies.  I never even thought about it while I was out there.  No telling how many we dropped in the 2 years I was in the city.  Now, I'm back......having been fortunate enough to buy a  place on the same road I had once lived on for 10 years and since we have been here (2 months now), we have witnessed 5 litters of puppies dropped.  One old mama  dog made it to my yard one night.  I fed her, but she left.  She was a wanderer.  I don't bring the puppies home because I just can't take care of all of them - there is no way.  Animal control only serves the city here, not the county.  There is no one to call.



You are reminded of the harshness of country life when you drive home from work and see 5 little cuddly black puppies on the side of the road, knowing that if you take them home - there will be 20 more take their place.  It's an issue that really bothers me and I have contacted my County officials, but what can they do?  Its just a back road and people have gotten away with this for years.  Coyotes are prominent here.  I don't know if the dogs get eaten, join the packs, or other strangers come by and maybe give one a home every now and then.  Sometimes there are kittens too - not always dogs.



Anyway, last night JT ccame home about 10PM and told me to close my eyes.  I did....thinking "wow, I'm getting flowers or something".  When I opened my eyes.....there was a puppy.....another drop off.   JT has passed up many of puppies on this road, as have I.....but there was something strange about this one.......it is a twin to Ivan.  I mean a dead up twin (with the exception to white on his paws).  The pups mother was with him, but she was too scared to come to JT.  He said it took him a while to coax the pup to him.



The pup was covered in large ticks....the size of beans.  He was shaking and scared.  Just pitiful.  We got the ticks off, bathed him and fed him.  He is now outside with Ivan.



My problem is this.  Since we moved here, and gave Piper to my mothin in law, Ivan has had some issues.  Ya'll have probably read about them.  He is adjusting to the move and the loss of Piper.  I had wanted another dog, a herding dog for the goats, but decided to wait (at the advice of other members here who have more experience than I) until things had settled down here.  JT had agreed that we would wait as well, but said he just couldn't leave a mini-Ivan sitting in the road.



This puts me in a rock and a hard place.  Of course, I'm amazed at how much this pup resembles Ivan too, but I just don't think its the right time.  What do you do in a situation like this?  The pup is very docile and seems to be good natured.  He and Ivan have gotten along so far, but Im not sure another adjustment is what Ivan needs right now.....with the issues he's already having.



JT has a heart the size of Jupiter when he sees drop offs.  I do too, but I try to be realistic.  Last night, I'm not so sure JT was being realistic in thinking we can keep this dog.  With that being said, I don't know what to do with it.  I can't just take him back to the road to drop him.  What would you do?   Ultimately, Ivan is our dog and I want what is best for him.



I'm gonna get a pic of the pup before I leave this morning....and I'll post it here.  Sorry this is so long, ut I just wanted to explain the history of the situation.  Tomorrow there will probably be another litter.........



-- Edited by Ansy at 09:30, 2005-08-05

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Sad.
Well, you DO have a forum to advertise your rescues on.
Maybe you should use it and other such venues to get him/them new homes. Not quite so bad having temporary pups, as dogs all over the place.
You may wanna buy up some shots for the strays, so you don't get virus problems. Ever give a vaccine? Not hard to do.

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That's so heartbreaking! I cannot believe all the heartless people there are in this world. What I would do is put a stake in the ground in the area that the puppies are being dropped off that says, "Abandoning a dog is illegal and appropriate actions will be taken against you. Smile for the camera" lol. Don't really put a camera, but maybe that will deter them. And if the sign gets taken down, just keep putting one back up when no one is around to see that it's you.


As for the puppy. Wow. I wouldn't know what to do. Besides the ticks, who knows what else the puppy could have. Worms I would be sure of. I would take the puppy to the vet for a thorough vet check so that you can make sure he's healthy. And if you absolutely can't have another dog right now, maybe try to determine what he is prodominately mixed with and find a rescue that specializes in that type of dog and call them. Good luck with everything! What a complicated ordeal!



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JT is taking him to the vet today, as a precaution.  I noticed earlier that he is still covered in fleas, even after the bath.  I put some FrontLine Plus on him about 30 minutes ago, and gave Ivan a little extra as well, since the fleas will be looking for another host.  We do give our own vaccines, so that won't be a problem.  He is currently tied, as we didn't have Pipers leash here to put him on.


The signs on the road is a good idea.....similar things have corssed my mind....maybe its time to put something into action.  The problem isn't that we can't keep the dog....I'm just not wanting to create a worse environment for Ivan.  I'm afraid bringing in a new pup will make Ivan even more distracted.  Ivan is extrememly strong and we need his full cooperation when we are working with him.  If this could be done without affecting Ivan, of course I'd give the little puppy a home, but I don't know that.


Here are pics of them.  I placed them side by side so you could see how similar they look.  When the pup holds his ears like Ivans, they look identical (with the exception of the white).  We do know that Ivans mother was a Boxer......but thats all we know for sure about his breed.  His dad was supposedly a lab, but the father of the pups was never seen by my ex when he got Ivan.  I'm guessing this pup has a similar background?  Boxer/Lab maybe?




-- Edited by Ansy at 09:58, 2005-08-04

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That is just awfull


I can imagine what positon you must be in as our area is a known drop off for the un-wanted . Not trying to bash service men an women but with 2 air bases within a few miles we get alot who owners have to move on or they simply cant cope plus we get the average citizens who doesnt have a heart an dumps there once loved pet anywhere.


Luckily we are in a catch net area for the strays which we do get. We have had lots over the years and some we have kept but others even though we wanted to keep them we couldnt possibly because of space and money.


Thats a great idea from kitty to advertise them on the forum and the idea from hunter awell about the signs...maybe advertising some numbers for shelters aswell even if they are out of the area might make people think twice.


your definatley right on them looking near identical ansy



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he is a cutie. its heartbreaking to know that there are people out there that would just drop an animal off like garbage. maybe you could put ads up at some of the closer stores and feed stores.or even in the paper. puppies are alot easier to find homes for than full grown dogs. vets will usually let people post ads in the clinics. i see ads all the time at our vets. and contacting a rescue , like hunter said, might be worth a try. he is a cute pup, it shouldnt take long to find him a home.


when jay and i had our farm, we were in the same situation as you. we were in an isolated area, but right off the highway. we had several dogs and all but one were strays. he was as bad as me when it came to be a softy for animals. we ended up keeping them all.  Fainting 







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I don't know how you do it, passing by them daily. I felt so sad reading your post.


Maybe give it a try, I think post him online too and see who vites. If you decide to keep him do so, if not you will have him advertised. Ready to go.


  That may be a good idea of Kittys, maybe we could have a space on this site for people needing to rehome dogs.



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that is too cute.  after reading that, i can honestly say that if i were in your shoes, i would tell that poor pooch welcome to the family.  i feel ya ansy.  that is a tough one.  but no matter what, i know u wont just leave that dog out there cause u dont have it in ya.  ill definatly pray about this one.  its gonna be ok ansy.

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That is so horrible but I know its just not the time but if the puppy is getting along good with the puppy he might be heart broken once again if you remove the pup. In case someone wanted to get the puppy from you and give it a good home can you just tell use what state you live in.

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I vote that you keep the puppy for a few days/weeks/months and see how it works. You are a stronger person than I am though. Any stray dog that I see ends up in my backyard. It drives Brad crazy.


 



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Yes, I think advertisement would be great! Remember, you are number 19 out of what, 8000 or 80,000 forums? You may get lucky if you advertise abandoned dogs!

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I think the advertising is good and maybe put a simple ad in a paper telling people that there are stray puppies in your area free for the taking.  Many people will be willing to pick up a stray pup and get it medical attention.  I am not sure i agree on the sign because i would hate knowing that if they didn't drop them there, they would just go down the road a ways.  Problem is still there, just a little further away.  JMO

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Yeah, that's true. Didn't think of that. Course, if they're lazy enough to drop off a dog instead of bringing it to a shelter, maybe they would be too lazy to have to drive out of the way to drop one off...lol. Sorry, I can't stand people that do things like that. Arg

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I can't stand people like that either. I just wish that we could throw them into an unknown area like they do with dogs and see how they like it and if they could live.

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its sad that people do stuff like that. i know it goes on, it just bothers me that i cant do anything about it. do people think that when they drop these dogs off in a remote area that they will naturally find homes? how stupid people are. these animals probably end up starving to death. i just want to choke some sense into these kind of dummies. gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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And now the plot thickens.............

Yesterday after I posted this, I left for work and on my way out......I seen the mother dog that JT has seen the night before. BUT - she has 2 more puppies with her. Evidently they weren't where JT could see them the night before. The mama dog looks like a lab mix and all 3 puppies look just like each other. One pup ran out in the road an up to my car door, the other pup and the mother ran off into the weeds on the side of the road.

I thought about that pup that ran up to my door all day yesterday. It was just so sad. On my way home I stopped at my fathers house and told him about it. he is very aware of how that road is used as a dumping grounds because he has lived here for 30 years now. He asked me if the puppies were black....and I told him that they were brown. He said that the day before, he had seen 2 black pups dropped off on the road. I just can't explain the magnitude of what happens on this road....as a dumping grounds for unwanted pets.

JT took the other pup (the one at our house) to the vet yesterday and the pup is eat up with heartworms. The vet suggested that the pup stay overnight so he is still there. We'll find out more about his health today. I have taken the day off from work to try adn figure out what to do. So far, my search hasn't had good news.

Animal Control is not an option. I have called every rescue I can find and they are either all full or do not take 'strays'. Most shelters have at least a 2 month waiting list.

My problem is that I don't know if its realistic for me to try and take these dogs in, care for them, have them s/n and then go to a shelter to be pts. I am looking at $500 in s/n fees alone, not to mention heartworm treatment, Frontline Plus, other vet bills, etc. I'd just hate to spend $1000 on dogs that are going to be pts. I know that may sound cruel, but I;m just trying to be realistic with my circumstances.

Keeping 5 large dogs long term is not an option for us right now. We have too much going on. Work, kids, school is starting, JT is returning to school to finish his degree in music, plus we have the goats, chickens on the way.....and fencing still to take care of. If I drop everything to take care of these dogs, what happens next week when another litter is dropped off? Its just a neverending cycle and as bad as I want to help, I honestly don't know if it will do any good.

This road reminds me how much shelters are not the answer. I'm not knocking them, trust me, I am very appreciative of what they and the workers do, but it's only a temporary fix, not a long term solution. I firmly believe that S/N is the answer and that if people wont do it on their own, legislation should be put in place (not BSL, mind you). Anyone who buys or gets a pet quality dog (or cat) should be required to have it S/N - plain and simple. The problem is that most pet owners simply are not aware of how huge the problem is. Maybe they should spend a few days on my road......and get a harsh look at reality. Reality slapped me in the face yesterday when a sad, hungry puppy ran up to my car door while his mom and brother/sister were waiting in the bushes.

I am so angry and sad right now that I can't think straight. I feel totally helpless. These dogs (if something isn't done with them) and others that will be dropped there, will eventually begin to kill livestock (chickens, ducks, small animals) to survive. When that happens, the farmers just shoot the dogs. Its not the dogs fault, they are just trying to survuve......but try telling that to a farmer who raises game chickens to sell as part of his living or another farmer who loses a baby calf worth several hundred dollars. They don't care - the dogs are affecting their living and they will take care of the problem. Its not uncommon at all around here and it is perfectly legal. If a dog is killing your livestock you have the right to kill the dog - even if its someones pet.....it doesn't just apply to strays.

I could start a page in this site to offer these pups to homes, but I wonder how realistic it would be since every county in the country is already over run with unwanted dogs as it is. Would someone really come to another state, or even drive a few hours to take in a dog when they can go to their own city and get one?

I just don't know what to do. For now, I am going to take some food down the road and place it for the 3 dogs that are still there. I've already been down there this morning to make sure they were still there, and they are. After that, i am going to try to reach the few shelters that I didn't get a hold of yet. maybe one of them has room......but 4 dogs is alot to take in, especially 4 large dogs. The pups are about 4 months old, I'm guessing, they aren't that big yet, but Im sure they will be.

Here, when someone says they seen a Wandaland dog......we know they aren't talking about a breed....its another drop off on Wandaland Road. When I was a kid, I always wanted to get a big place and use it for Wandaland dogs......to home them, now if I done that all it would do is promote others to drop even more here. Its a great idea, but not realistic I don't think.

I guess I'm just having a hard time facing reality.....the reality that this kind of thing does happen.......a mile from my own home........and I can't change it.

I'll keep you updated on the puppy and any other news I hear.

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I think if I were in your situation, if you couldn't rescue them all, which most people can't. I think I would try to make a deal with my vet and try to bring many of them in to be pts. It is better then them being shot and killed by coyotes or hit by cars. I have had dogs attacked by coyotes I have had some killed by them and I have had many hit  by cars. It is a horrible way to go. It could be the last nice gift someone could give them. I would post a sign or multiple signs that say all strays are euthanized.


   When I lived in the canyon when I was little one of our neighbors had a sign that said all dumped animals were shot. I thought it was harsh but apparently it helped alot with keeping people from dumping so many animals.


I couldn't live with leaving puppies out to be killed by coyotes. Alot of shelters will only charge a very small fee to euthanize animals. Although it is a sad drastic truth to have to do it, it is better then having them torn to shreds by coyotes or killed by farmers or hit by cars. At least they could go peacefully. That is just what  would do if it were me. I would probably have quite a few and try to rehome them too. I am a sucker for lost and homeless animals.



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They do both do look alot alike. But hes so cute. LOL

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Sign should read special enforcement area. Abandoning animals illegal acc. to sec...whatever. People caught abandoning animals will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. List fines, and jail time for violation.
Put a few signs out there. Tell the local paper to highlight the problem.

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