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Does anyone here give their dogs their shots instead of going to a vet?


We got this new guy at work who is a breeder, he was saying how he vaccinates all his dogs himself instead of going to the vet. But how does he get the vaccines? I thought you could only get them at your vets?


Also this guy was saying how there is this place that sells liquid penicillan, and when his dogs get sick he gives it to them, agian shouldnt a vet be doing this?


One other thing that i thought was weird but i dont know anything about is, that he said one of his puppies was sick and wouldnt eat, so he got some pedilyte(sp?) and something else, i cant remember and he shot it under the skin of the dog. Shouldnt that be giving orally?


He also told me that one of his friends dogs got sick, so he went to his house with the liquid penicillian, he gave the dog the shot and said that 30 seconds later the dog threw up the infection that was making it sick and he was better after. Do dogs really throw up infections so soon after being given a shot? It seemed weird to me, i would think that the penicilian would need time to go threw the dogs system, and i never heard of a dog throwing up the infection that made it sick.


Is this guy weird or is this normal amoung breeders? The stories he was telling me just didnt seem right.


I know breeders normally give their dogs the vaccines but I wasnt sure about this other stuff.



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It is normal.
You see, I have access to all the knowledge that a vet does. I have $40. and $70. medical manuals on my shelves...maybe 100 books, just in my living room.
One difference between me and a vet is practical experience and willingness to deal with diverse problems[which I am not].
I have dosage conversion tables, but my scale is not as presise as the vet's.
Personally, I would rather cautiously do my own work, by the book, than let some yahoo that does it on a daily basis do it on a day when he may be doing poorly. Also, when I do use a vet, I watch carefully everything that they do, and when they error in proceedure, they better be able to explain [oh, yes, I am quite the customer from hell].
Consequently, I have certain vets to perform certain things that I cannot, or will not do...and they are the best at what they do in Southern California.
I do small vet proceedures, I give vaccines, oral antibiotics, remove dewclaws on 2 day old pups, install microchips in adult, or 6 wk. old dogs, worm dogs...etc.
Actually, if you are not a dummy or squeamish, all these things are pretty little. I don't do much blood work, although kits are available to me. There, I am squeamish.
To buy vaccines or antibiotics, there are MANY companies that sell these, or you can go directly to the manufacturer.
The vet does not do the microbiology that manufactures the vaccines and antibiotics, you know. They just diagnose, and dispense things, accordingly.
Since sometimes they misdiagnose, or dispense the wrong medicene [human practitioners have the same flaw] if you have an inclination towards learning medicene it benefits you, your pets and kids, oh, and your pocketbook, to have a working knowledge of what the vet is doing at all times. Or, you can do it yourself, if it is doable

For example:
http://drsfostersmith.com/Product/Shop.cfm?N=3001&ref=3415&subref=AL

-- Edited by Kittys Mom at 10:40, 2005-09-21

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I would love to do my own shots but I don;t think I could. I really don;t trust the vets scale though. I remember once when they weighed Oscar and they came back saying 130 pounds I knew they were wrong. So I went back there with them and weighed him correctly and he weighed 154. I couldn't believe they were 24 pounds off.

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JMO all scales suck

I got used to the shots. My mom, a nurse, was giving my shots 20 years ago. I had seen it done so many times, and got tired of trying to match my schedule to hers to get her to do it. I just take the box out of the fridge and load and shoot, no biggie.
Just a few years ago, I talked to another breeder that did her own microchips. She told me where to buy them. I had seen it done, I drove two towns away, and waited for my turn, and it took 30 seconds to do. Again, I just get them out of the drawer, and pop them in, now. I have done them for other people, also. A vet charges between $30. and $100. to chip a dog. It costs me $15. I buy them in bulk, my mom borrowed some from me, then bought them in bulk, now I will get them from her for my next litter...wholesale/bulk price.
Oh, another advantage to doing your own shots is quality control. Can ANY OF YOU say that you actually saw the bottle the vaccine came from when your vet gave it?[No fair if you work for a vet/clinic] Was the vaccine modified live virus, or killed? Did it include Corona? Many vets will use cheaper shots than what you might want. If you ask, will they draw the shot before your eyes and give you the bottle? Easier to just buy the correct product and do it yourself, as require all that extra concern with a vet.
It is just that I am fussy. I took animal diseases in college, my 3rd year[prerequisite was microbiology 1&2]. I started learning there, the rest is self taught from books [I don't need someone to stand in front of me to tell me what to read, so school is somewhat useless]. I know what I want, where to get it, and how to administer it. So I use vets for more important things

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